Some soft touches top tier boxers have taken

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ellerbe, Dec 2, 2025 at 3:50 PM.


  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    But the difference is they were taking those soft touches in their primes and they did so many times more than Usyk has, not at 39 y/o at the end of their careers after having fought the best B2B pretty much exclusively, in their backyards or on the road as the B-side.

    And look at all the past prime or old men so many other greats and world champions defended their belts against or fought. Usyk has been pretty much exclusively fighting prime guys, the oldest at the world level being 36 y/o, and he is about to turn 39 and has been past his prime for years. His conduct in and out of the ring has been exemplary and beyond reproach but people wanna burn him at the stake for doing something once many of his fellow greats they worship at the altar did many times during their primes :facepalm:
     
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  2. PrimoGT

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    I thought Daniel Dubois the first time was widely-regarded as a "gimme" mandatory, a nice soft-touch defence for Usyk gifted to him by the WBA.
    I'd be confident just about no one here would have had him in their top 10 at that time.
    Funny how that gets glossed over or forgotten.
     
  3. Jennifer Love Hewitt

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    In an era where champions fight once a year, no one deserves a soft touch.
    Fighters making easy money is a disservice to fans of the sport. Fans that are on board for this type of careful matchmaking is beyond dumb.

    Did Usyk's mom make the original post? Listen, Mrs Usyk, I understand no mother want to see their son in danger, and it makes perfect sense for you to want your son to get big paydays for little to no risk. But we the fans of the sport who make it possible for boxers to get rich beyond belief need to start demanding better more entertaining fights. We buy the tickets, we pay for the streaming, we just want good fights. If Usyk really wants to fight Wilder so bad, he can do what Zelenoff did and fight him for free. Just please tell your son that ripping off fans is not cool.
     
  4. Serge

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    Dubois 19-1 (18 KOs), was the WBA regular champ and a murderous puncher who had knocked out the vast majority of his opponents in a couple of rounds often in devastating fashion

    His sole loss was on a very serious career-threatening eye injury in a very competitive fight vs an unbeaten Big Joe Joyce he was winning on 2 of the judge's cards and he was coming off 4 early KO wins. Yes, we saw some home cooking vs Lerena but at least 2 of those KDs were due to the to knee injury he sustained during the first KD and Lerena is a good fighter and tough and controversy aside Dubois' devastating power was on full display again with the KDs he registered despite him only having one good knee

    I'm not sure what other people's definition of a gimme is but a well schooled 19-1 (18 KOS) murderous puncher with devastating power in both hands and good skills and speed for his size who is much bigger than you is far from it one in my eyes

    When your power can transform a 260lb a teak-tough Big Joe Joyce into a safety-first jab merchant boxer all night who usually walks through the bombs and shots of everything face first with little regard for them then you know that power is very real

    A ''gimme''

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    I guess Fabio was a gimme for J-Park too considering he was getting schooled for pretty much the entire fight by Huni who a Lerena who lost his mother a day or two before the fight IIRC hurt very badly numerous times and was a whisker away from knocking out and likely would of if he was at his best.

    And Fabio arguably lost to Frazer Clarke too

    J-Park was much more skilled than Fabio and so is Dunois but, as with Dubois, savage power always poses a huge risk, especially when you're much smaller man than said savage puncher
     
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  5. elrond_buggard

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    Canelo's list of soft touches as champ goes on: Khan, old Mosley, Matthew Hatton, Ryder, Charlo, Josesito Lopez. Even Crawford was a cherrypick gone wrong.
     
  6. MaccaveliMacc

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    Yeah, but they were fighting multiple times a year and went through all the mandatories. Except for Holmes obviously, as he, unlike Wlad, dropped the belt to not fight Page. If you clean out the division like these guys did, soft touches are ok. If you have a clear mandatory challenger, who is also a Top 3 HW, swerving him for a corpse of an overhyped puncher is not a good look. I'm only OK with this fight if it's the last of Usyk's career. But he said he want to fight 2 more years...

    In 2023 nobody knew Wilder was shot to bits. The last memory of him was sparking Helenius out in a round, who just had 2 good wins over Kownacki. Also, Parker was on a devil's dandruff during the Wardley fight, so it may explain his bravado.
     
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  7. Serge

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    Again, none of them were fighting pretty much the best B2B with no soft touches at Usyk's age. His only soft touch in his career since moving up to the world level in his 10th fight has been very late notice sub Witherspoon which was his official HW debut and his 2nd weakest opponent in all that time is Chisora. Yes they were more active but they weren't 38-39 either

    Usyk cleaned out the CW division and then he cleaned out all the champs and highest ranked opponent's at HW, who were either ranked #1 or #2 when he fought them, or at worst possibly one might have been #3, sans obviously Dubois I who was his mandatory and had been so for like 14 months.

    People want Usyk to clean out the HW division of the next generation at 39-42 or 43 y/o are living in a dreamland and expecting him to do something no other champ in history has done. He's about to become the 4th oldest HW champion of all time next month and is already the oldest undisputed HW champ ever and the 2nd oldest unified HW champ and the 3 ranked above him all natural HW 240-250lb + giants with extremely high KO%

    Foreman KO 89%
    Vitali KO 91%
    Wlad KO 82%

    And Foreman retired for a decade and was essentially a one-hit wonder champ in his 2nd incarnation who won the HW title on a come from behind KO and then lost in his 1st defence vs a Euro level Schulz in everyone bar the corrupt judge's eyes

    Wlad was 2-3 months older than Usyk is now the last time he won a fight

    And even though Vitali was a couple of years older than Usyk is now he retired for 4 years and he was fighting soft touches between the ages of 38-41 like a shot Briggs who had been winning but against who? Tomato cans.

    And Euro level Sosnowski. Solis. And Diamond Boy. And Solis, too

    Usyk has been fighting the best and highest rated fighters in the division throughout his reign sans his first fight against mandatory Dubois who was still extremely powerful and dangerous and much bigger than him. There have been zero soft touches in either of Usyk's reigns as CW and HW champs

    Truth be told I don't even know if it's a case of The Dosser being shot or it's just a combination of him facing actual world class opponents who actually have skills and Malik Scott's genius idea of trying to transform him into a 'skilled' boxer. Belly, J-Park and Big Bang are the best fighters he ever fought and Big Bang had 100lbs on him and is the biggest puncher in the division. Big Bang would've done that to any version of him IMO. Sure he should've put Hendrix way earlier but, as said, the later fought purely to survive and The Dosser is still trying to be a boxer.

    J-Park was genuinely fearful of The Dosser's power as he was of Big Bang's and with good reason too
     
  8. MaccaveliMacc

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    Well, Vitali's resume is shyte overall, so I wouldn't make him the example. We're talking GOATs like Usyk.

    The thing is, he tried to put him away, landed a lot of clean right hands on him, but with no to lil efffect.