Someone convice me that Harry Greb was greater than SRR.

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  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Of course both guys fought a lot and boast giant resumes, I think the number of HOFers they beat probably holds more water than that though.

    Harry Greb - 10 Kid Norfolk, Tunney, Levinsky, Gibbons, Dillon, Flowers, Rosenbloom, Slattery, Walker, Loughran

    Sugar Ray Robinson- 9 - Armstrong, Lamotta, Fullmer, Kid Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano, Zivic,Turpin, Angott

    Problem is, all we have to work with for Greb is his resume and some clips of him training. I believe H2H matchups make a large impact on where a fighter should be placed all time, and actual film supports the extent of a fighter's (and their comp's) abilities just as much as resume.

    Edit: while I'm at it I guess I'll post some stuff I found
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    God damn those numbers can't be right :huh SRR must've been tiny as a WW
     
    megavolt, Sep 28, 2011
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can I convince you to take 6th grade English instead?
     
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  3. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    :roll: Of course you'd come up with nothing.
     
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  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    His resume is better.


    As far as H2H, its impossible to make a comparison without being unfair to one of them. You can't rate Robinson higher just because of how he looks on film because we really have no idea how impressive Greb was to watch. On the other hand, I don't think you can eliminate how impressive Robinson does look (which is better than anyone ever) from the discussion, unless you're someone who never takes H2H ability into account when rating fighters anyway.

    I've got Robinson at #1, but Greb & Langford both have a serious case to rank above him, and it's not hard to see why.
     
    the cobra, Sep 29, 2011
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  6. The Iron Worm

    The Iron Worm Guest

    This is a classic topic, really. You can't expect most of the General-dwelling plebs to contribute.
     
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  7. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    Just make a list of the top 10 or top 20 middleweights of all time, and see how many of them Greb beat, and how many Ray beat.

    You'll find Greb wins that easily.
     
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  8. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats very much up for debate
     
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  9. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

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    Probably be better posted in the Classic
     
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  10. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Except the consensus is that Robinson was at his best during his WW years (which ironically little to no footage of that exists as well :nut)
     
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  11. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    No, not really.
     
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  12. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Im sorry but I cant fairly compare guys without seeing footage of greb.
     
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  13. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its more than up for debate, to say that its not is stupid,

    Robinson has the better resume for me
     
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  14. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would concur:good
     
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  15. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    Robinson but it's close.

    Also, IMO it was a more evolved sport by Robinson's time. It's hard to compare directly.
     
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