Someone once said the greatest HWC is in the NFL...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by nervousxtian, Oct 19, 2007.


  1. sonny73

    sonny73 Active Member Full Member

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    A guy called Jonah Lomu is one of the greatest Athletes ever,6'5" 265+lbs and a 100 metres in around 10.5 seconds and being able to run around for 80 minutes unlike the fatties in the NFL.I am sure he could have chosen boxing if he wanted and been the best in the world.
     
  2. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know why anyone would think that these run/jump athletes would be any good in the boxing ring.

    Being able to fight is a skill more akin to major league pitching than running around on a football field tackling people. Foot speed isn't really a crucial factor in a 16 x 12 ring unless you plan on dancing around in circles avoiding the opposition, which isn't exactly the point of the sport.

    Sure, strength,agility, etc will definitely help you out. But skill, endurance and the ability to take a shot are the most crucial things by far. Most guys just can't take the hits without the lights going out, regardless of how tough they are.
     
  3. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jerry Collins

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    6 foot 3, about 110 Kg's, (240 lbs) - and hard as nails.

    Fit, tough and strong - and pretty quick too.

    Here's some more of his work... (not sure if the youtubes will allow embedding, but the links are right.)

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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Lomu was a great athlete, but again, great athletes do not necessarily equate to great fighters. Outside of boxing, Ali was a decent athlete, not terribly fast on a track but strong. Frazier was apparently quite weak in lifting terms. Tyson was completely uncoordinated on a basketball court. Does this mean some great "athlete" might have come along during their primes and defeated them?

    It just isn't like turning some track guy into a wide receiver in football.The athleticism of boxing is only displayed in the ring and has little crossover bearing to other sports. How many weight room heros, football and basketball players have taken up the sport- often still in their primes- only to be pummelled?
     
  5. JimboDs

    JimboDs So-called expert Full Member

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    I don't think you can pick an NFL player and say 'he could have been heavyweight champ'. Boxing is a pretty unique sport and the next great heavyweight could have been a guy who wasn't even that great at football and didn't make it to the NFL.

    I think the point is that boxing has declined significantly in the United States in terms of popularity. The NFL dominates professional sports in this country. The people who run the league have been smart enough to realize the potential for investing in promoting the sport to the point where it's been sewn into our national culture. It's been worth the investment because the NFL makes a killing on sponsorship and liscencing revenues.

    Boxing doesn't have the benefit of a central governing body that can promote the sport and ensure the highest levels of competition. It's hard to become a boxing fan nowadays unless your father was a fan and passed it on. There's rarely local fights to go in most areas of the country and there's very rarely decent boxing on regular television (you need HBO, Showtime, PPV).

    It's simply the case that not as many young Americans are taking up boxing early, which is necessary to excel in the sport in my opinion. They're just playing other sports. Youth baseball, football, and basketball are heavily supported by parents, schools, and other sponsors. That's not the case with boxing. It's fallen far from where it was in terms of a national past-time.
     
  6. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Decker, I live in the US, so I am US-Centric.

    We don't broadcast fights from other parts of the world.

    What happens in Europe doesn't mean as much to me, because I don't see it, and I have to actually search out the results, as it doesn't make news over here.

    ****, boxing as a whole hardly makes ESPN over here.

    I'm not sure where you're from, but I'm sure you're biased towards where you live, because it's where you live.

    If you're stupid enough to think that ones environment and what they are exposed to locally isn't going to effect their views on things you need to expand your horizons.

    The US produces world class athletes at an outstanding pace, but we do it because of being such a large culture mix, full of different ethnicities and we also do through pure number of people. We are a very large and diverse country.

    I don't give a **** what anyone says, of course you never know a guys ability to take a punch, but anyone who thinks that all the physical gifts that other pro athletes have wouldn't give them an advantage if they went back in time and became boxers is full of it.

    Sure some heavyweights make millions, but they made absolute **** for the 5 - 10 years leading up to those fights.

    I skilled athlete in baseball can make his first millions by the age of 18-20. Football 20-23yrs old. NBA 19-21yrs old.

    Also they don't get punched for a living, though I'd argue that football is just as bad on the body in the long term.
     
  7. JimboDs

    JimboDs So-called expert Full Member

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  8. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    The point being made is that if they were brought up boxing instead of other sports what would they be.

    The problem is that the heavyweight division has a very small population. We essentially don't have much to choose from. Anytime some farmhand puts on some gloves and has some power to knock out a few sparring partners everyone gets excited.

    Imagine a division as deep as 100+ contestants. All athletically gifted, and brought up on the sport of boxing. That would be a sight.
     
  9. Ring Master

    Ring Master The Originator Full Member

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    LeBron James, 6-8 240. His build at 18 was incredible (pause)
     
  10. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Exactly!

    Maybe not all those guys would be good, but nobody can convince me that someone of them couldn't of been great.

    If a guy as athletic gifted as a manatee in John Ruiz can reach the highest level in the sport, there's a problem.

    We only accept mediocrity in our sport because it's all we have, it's not what we want, but we have to watch whats out there.

    It's why a guy as flawed as Wlad is, he's considered the man in the division, the division is weak, because the field is so small. It's filled with old greats, old never-were's, and middle-aged semi-contenders, and young nobodies.

    You can't tell me that guys like Ray Lewis, Brett Farve, Shawn Merrimen, Lance Briggs, Brian Urlacher, Charles Barkley, Bruce Smith, and 100's of others couldn't compete with their superior athleticism to guys like Ruiz, Ibragimov, Briggs, Maskaev, etc.