Something to consider about Andre Ward

Froch was a different animal altogether after the bute fight, that loss to ward made him come back stronger.

He had the tendency to show too much respect towards the americans but the post ward froch would maul ward, he wouldn't allow himself to get smothered and roughed up on the inside like he did in the first fight.

He knew better, he wanted the fight but ward was unrealistically calling for the fight to be at wembley when he knew it wouldn't sell over 80k.

Your boy is a fraud who has been ducking the best for the last 5 years and it will be 6 soon. Nearly a decade of excuses, inactivity and plain old fashioned ducking.

Hope you are proud of your b!tch.

 

And you base this on what beating a highly overrated Bute, Groves? Because those guys are in the same league as fighters Froch beat prior to Ward. Have you seen a pre and post Ward, Carl Froch fight? It doesn't sound like it.


Hope you noticed the sarcasm in this statement. Pointed it out for you, just in case you didn't.

 

If Ward beats up Bummyluvkin, people will just claim he's another Eurobum LMFAO..

I remember when Kessler was the tournament favorite, best SMW in the world, and an established ATG in the 168 pound division. A green Ward beat him up easily and had him and his fans crying to this day. Now Kessler's a Eurobum.. :rofl

 

I dont like ward but i have to say he faced not A prime Version of kessler but A very good one and beat him in A foul fest. Before that he faced A past prime Miranda and after that he beat A good Version of Abraham and went on to beat A prime Version of froch. Then he feasted on A dead drained Dawson, where he gets zero credit and after that came online ****. Right now he is overrated AS hell but he has the Talent. I am sure he would clean out super middle right now. If he does that then he will get his status back. If he wants to be A Superstar he has to beat Pascal, beterbiev and kovalev. If he will win all this fight then he is the p4p number one. But IMO beterbiev and kovalev KO him and GGG at 168 would outclass him. Ward has no power to keep this Monster punchers with ability away. He wont get respect from them and they will go for the kill

 

Kessler an ATG? :rofl lay off the crack

 

Who are the 10 best SMW's of all time?

 

OP has a point though it was a bit provocatively made. As did the guy who said Ward is a supremely talented boxer with a poor grasp on boxing politics.

The rest of this thread has immediately descended into the usual polarised agenda driven fanboy war on both sides. :tired

I just hope Andre gets back in the ring and making the kind of fights we want to see sooner rather than later. If he is going to 175, a tune-up, a Pascal level fighter then Kovalev/Stevenson would be fair IMO.

 

Kessler is not an ATG, top 10 SMW but not an ATG

 

A few points:

He should have to work his way back.

Along with GGG, Kov and all great fighters, he has a huge ego.

He's had more significant wins than either GGG or Kovalev. As yet, GGG has beaten nobody of note. He doesn't have any win that comes close to Kessler or Froch.

Calzaghe has nothing to do with this debate, but if you want to be flippant, you could say that Kov's best win was against a former Calzaghe victim who was 50 years old.

GGG's team have made statements stating that he'll fight anyone between 154-168.

They held talks with Froch and Hearn.

At this stage of their careers, GGG needs Ward more than what Ward needs GGG. Ward is the more proven fighter, he's younger, and it seems he's struggling to make SMW, and is looking to move up to LHW.

:good

 

Why on earth should Ward even have to contemplate going down to 164?

It's GGG who's been making noises and negotiating with Froch.

 

Behave.

Kessler wasn't shot.

A green Froch? Really? Who went on to destroy Bute straight afterwards? Not forgetting that Ward had a fractured hand.

Who gives him credit for beating a drained Dawson?

Who exactly has GGG beaten?

 

Andre Ward hasn't been an elite boxer ever and yes Carl Froch is not elite.

Andre is undefeated and has a decent resume at 168. He has skills and the super 6 win wasn't easy.

He has some negotaiating power with that but not the A-side, he feels as if he deserves more than his opponent because he brings being undefated record to the table whereas GGG brings paying fans that allow huge fights to be made.

Why doesn't Andre Ward just understand that and if he wants to create a ATG legacy will need to fight the elite fighters.

 

Ward isn't the A-side. He gets awful ratings has been fighting awful opposition and won't ever be a PPV fighter.

And he is boring.

 

Where's the evidence to suggest that Froch would have mauled Ward in a rematch?

You call Ward unrealistic for having wanted a Wembley bout, but you're okay with Froch having wanted a bout in Nottingham?

Ward easily beat Froch with a fractured hand. Ward didn't need to fight Froch again. If Froch had wanted the rematch bad enough, they'd have done more to try and secure it. But it was Ward who was in the driving seat during negotiations.

Who exactly has Ward been ducking for the last 5 years?

 

I think he understands, but he'd rather get rich with the minimal risk possible than build an ATG legacy

Shame to see talented guys like him and Mayweather take that mindset but it is what it is