Something to think about....why Calzaghe can never win with the American boxing media

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by China_hand_Joe, Aug 9, 2007.


  1. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    I don't understand why does JC in your eyes needs to win the American boxing media. He seems to have the respect from all of the English fans. Hell, almost all of his fights are in England anyway and he drew 35,000 from his last fight. Relax, Joe is at peace!
     
  2. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i see you got a new key board china:lol:
     
  3. yesihavearm

    yesihavearm Active Member Full Member

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    It comes down to this, the Americans simply dont want to recognise that someone who isnt American is the best of all time in their division. Joe Cazlaghe is the best SMW in history, yet you get idiots saying its RJJ who only fought 7 fights in the division and only 1 of them was against quality opposition.

    The Americans dont recognise Calzaghe for the following,

    Didnt fight Prime RJJ
    Didnt fight Prime B-Hop
    Didnt fight Prime Sven Ottke
    Didnt fight Prime DM

    Yet what the Americans dont understand is

    RJJ didnt want to fight Joe because Joe wasnt a big enough name, he actually said that.

    A fight with B-Hop was about to be signed and sealed then B-Hop upped his demands to an unrealistic amount. Against thats actually proven, and its not the first time he's done it, why do you think the rematch with RJJ never happened.

    A fight with Ottke never happened despite it being offered to Sven but Sven wouldnt leave Germany, not to say that Calzaghe's blameless for only leaving the UK twice.

    What they need to get into their thick heads, is, besides those 4 fighters (which BTW only Sven-Ottke was actually in Joe's divison. B-hop was Middle, and RJJ and DM were Light-Heavy at the time of Joe's title reign) Joe fought the BEST the divison had to offer - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Sheika ASWELL as the best American SMW's Brewer etc...and he beat every single one of them.

    It's not Joe's fault that RJJ is only willing to accept a fight recently, now that he's past his best. Joe would **** RJJ now. I also think Joe would beat B-hop now but in a close 50/50 pick-em fight.

    Calzaghe should beat Kessler.
    Then Hopkins.
    Then Taylor/Pavlik, which i think will be Taylor.

    Move up to Light-Heavy and fight whoever's considered the Light-Heavy king at the time. That will leave him at 47-0 and a 2 divison champion, aswell as being the best SMW of all time. He could even go for 3 more fights and go for Marciano's record, possibly fight RJJ just to shut people up ?

    Joe is the real deal. End of.
     
  4. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This fight was never going to be feasibly made, through no fault of either fighter.

    Hopkins blantently ducked Calzaghe years ago by agreeing to sign, then uping his demands to silly numbers. Of course he calls Calzaghe out now he is busy fighting Kessler in November.

    I don't even feel the need to comment on Ottke, the man had nightmares about Calzaghe.

    DM I don't recall there ever being a lot of people calling for this fight, but it may have been the only one you could possibly make.



    edit:basically what the post above says
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Great post, only two factors that I feel you're off base about -

    First of all, don't give Ottke even the slightest benefit of the doubt, he clearly ducked Calzaghe and was a joke of a champion to begin with. Calzaghe and Warren offered TWICE to go to Germany and for Ottke to be making 75/25 in terms of the purse and it would have been an easy wipe out win for Calzaghe, the stipulation was to get totally neutral judges.... which Ottke has four very blatant robbery wins on his record to keep his belt, namely Reid, Johnson and Brewer 1.

    Second, Hopkins/Calzaghe at their peaks was a good competitive fight, Hopkins cannot fire off his overhand right like he used to now, his age is showing and he'd be easily outworked. 118-108 type of fight really, it's not 50/50.
     
  6. pioterbezkitu

    pioterbezkitu Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Hopkins' win over Tarver is really overrated, Tarver almost got beat by Elvin Muriqi
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I agree with this. Hopkins is showing his age.
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here a good one for you.

    Hopkins recieved more credit for beating Tarver than Kessler will for beating Calzaghe.
     
  9. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or Calzaghe for beating Kessler:D
     
  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Come November 3rd the anti-euorpean American boxing media conspiracy will be exposed. I don't even care about the result of the fight.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Times are changing and the result is more important than winning this argument. Objective fans know what Joe is really like as a man.