Sonny Liston (1960) vs "Iron" Mike Tyson (1988) - who wins?

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  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    The two, at least two out of three if you count the prime Foreman, preminent indimidators in the history of heavyweight boxing facing off. I read a comment on youtube that stated:" Tyson was a wannabe ganster but Liston was a REAL gangster." Let the fireworks begin!

    hand speed - Tyson
    punching power - even
    jab - Liston
    reach - Liston
    strength - Liston
    chin - even
    combination punching - Tyson
    intimidation factor - even
    mystique - Liston's was damaged by the Ali fights and Tyson's by the Holyfield fights. Before these occurred it was even.
    infighting - Liston
    defense - even
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Liston KO. once Liston backs up Tyson it won't last long after that
     
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  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tysons speed, defense would see him slip the jab and unload combinations to back up Liston as he gave the bigger man a beating. Tyson would be hit more than normal and hurt, he'd have to face adversity. But Tyson wasnt the complete cowardly ***** some portray him to be and he'd come through to score a mid-round KO win
     
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Liston was better. He could box off the back foot if need be too, something Tyson cant do.
    Liston doesn't need to go looking for him, probably KOs Tyson inside 6 or 7 rounds.
     
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  5. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Liston would win this one. He'd bust Tyson up and finish him around the 10 mark.
     
  6. duran duran

    duran duran Member Full Member

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    tyson of 88 wins handily inside 6 rounds too quick.and powerful .
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Tyson is too quick with his combinations. I imagine he gets Liston out of there, but Liston certainly has a good chance to win himself. I just can't see Liston sticking to the jab and boxing off the backfoot.
     
  8. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I think Tyson gets inside with head movement and his combinations hurt Liston. Tyson by KO late rounds.
     
  9. Harman

    Harman Member Full Member

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    Tyson wins by KO. No fighter could handle a 88´Tyson. He was to fast, to powerfull, 1a Defense.
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I like Liston. He's going to get to the punch first and could hurt Tyson badly coming in, and even when Tyson does make it to mid-range Liston will be able to take him inside or tie him up where he's much more effective. If Liston tries to exchange, he'll lose, as Tyson has the better D and can rattle off the power punches faster in a fire-fight. But I think it's more likely he keeps his head, punishes him coming in and neutralises him for the rest of the way. I also get the impression that Liston's more of a late-rounds fighter than his opponent, though that could be because he fights at a slower pace.

    Any prediction has to be made with an open mind, though, as both of them have the artillery to end it at any moment.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    That's some statement.
     
  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    who would scare who first, someone is going to quit, Liston had the reach, Tyson the speed, does Liston take Tyson's early onslaught and if he does does Mike fold his tent .

    not the 2 mentally toughest guys but both had the bully thing going on....add Foreman 1 to the list and you have the top 3...but Big George overcame in the Bully affliction in the comeback
     
  13. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    So far five have picked Tyson, four Liston, and the gent above seems to be neutral on his pick. I knew this would be a polarizing topic and it would be about split down the middle in terms of who everyone was picking. As for me, I honestly cannot make a pick with any conviction. Liston's jab would be be problem for Tyson but Tyson's unbelievable speed and compact punching would be a problem for Liston. Who knows what would have happened?
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Liston wins this one, and I think he's one of the toughest matches in history for Tyson. Liston has literally no difficulty with men coming to him and struggles horribly with speed going away from him.

    The reason Tyson struggles on occasion with men coming to him is that he is a one-range fighter - a devastating one, but a one range fighter. He is a mid-range fighter of the highest class and a "bulling" fighter - coming from long to middle range - of very high standard.

    Here he is up against a fighter who is literally as adept at nearly all the ranges involved in a fight as he is at the others - that is to say, he does not have a preference at which range the fight is fought. This is due to his underated athleticism and his physical/technical tools in addition to "yeah?" attitude.

    Liston is also a vastly underated ring general. He has made many adjustments in various fights (maybe most impressively in Williams II where he shifts to the front foot in the very first round having constructed a fight plan based on the first fight which differed) to his opponents detriment.

    Add all this up and you have battleground that favours Liston. Tyson will come directly to Liston and try to hammer him. My guess is that Liston would spear him with the jab. Yes, Tyson has extraordinary head movement, and yes it is overated. Tyson did not use arbitrary head movement like Jack Dempsey did. Tyson moved in a pattern. In other words, a fighter with a very accurate jab who also had no fear - at all - of the man in the opposite corner could time him. Sonny could time him, Sonny has those things.

    His jab was quite slow. But i've always felt a fast jab was an over-rated commodity generally. From a technically classical stance - which Liston employed - it's a punch that does not take long to get across. I think that an accurate, hard jab, is a better punch than a fast jab which is accurate.

    So I see Liston timing Tyson on the way in with the jab and missing with his bigger punches in the first few rounds, but closing the distance with a clatter at the back of that punch. Tyson's best work smothered whilst Liston builds a lead.

    A word about punch resistance - I think they have similair resistance to punishment, although Liston was basically impossible to hurt to the body and Tyson has an edge in flat out chin. But I don't think Tyson has that "tide-turning" type of chin. I think that he takes punishment, but the hurt causes his head to drop. We saw it against Hollyfield and Lewis, and to a lesser degree against Douglas. Liston was capable of turning the tide after being hurt, and we saw this agianst Williams, who "hit him so hard all over [my] body" that Sonny became convinced he "didn't have a weak spot", and he went on to KO Williams in 3.

    If Tyson slows he will be stopped. If Tyson manages to keep the pace high, he'll lose a decision.

    Bad match up for Mike.
     
  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sonny atypically knocked out a champion with blistering speed, good power and a peek a boo style, twice within a single round. Tyson had a far better chin and punch than Patterson, but the Big Cat had excellent size, speed and power himself, along with far more experience than Liston. Mike's peak power wasn't all that, as Tillis, Green, Smith and Tucker demonstrated.

    Liston had versatility Tyson lacked, a huge and effective reach advantage, and he was a better infighter. Mike doesn't get to the final round, although I think this one goes considerably longer than most might expect. The smaller man falls after a sustained beating. Sonny knew how to handle that style of opponent as well as any heavyweight ever has.