thanx to Cyberboxing for all this info Listons Amatuer record Here is what I have -- 1952 --- starts boxing around August 1953 St. Louis Golden Gloves Feb LLoyd Willis St. Louis [W] Finals 26th Chicago, Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, Feb 23-Mar 7 Feb 24 Donnie Fleeman, Fort Worth, TX KO 3 Feb 24 Carl McClure, Oklahoma City, OK W 3 Feb 25 Tullos Lee Mead, Memphis, TN KO 2 Qf Mar 6 Ben Bankhead, Kansas City, MO W 3 sf Mar 6 Ed Sanders, Los Angeles, CA W 3 Final Chicago-NY Intercity, Chicago, IL Mar 26 Julius Griffin Chicago, IL W 3 Liston down in 1st 65th USA National AAU, Boston, MA Apr 14 Lou Graff Boston, MA KO 1 (0:50) Apr 15 James McCarter Boston, MA L 3 QF International Golden Gloves, at St. Louis, MO Jun 23 Herman Schreibauer (RFA) St. Louis, MO TKO 1 This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected ED (BIG ED) SANDERS HAYES EDWARD SANDERS HEAVYWEIGHT BORN: March 24, 1930, Los Angeles, CA DIED: December 14, 1954, Boston, MA from a blood clot on the brain sustained in his last professional fight. Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Amateur Record: 43-4-0 (Idaho State Boxing Team; US Navy Boxing Team) Professional Record: 6-2-1 (3) Amateur Highlights 1950 NCAA Championship (Idaho State) 1951 NCAA Championship (Idaho State) 1952 NCAA Championship (Compton Junior College) 1952 Gold Medal: Heavyweight Boxing - Olympic Games in Helsinki, Finland 1951 Apr 6 Jack Scheberies East lansing, MI L 3 (NY Times 4/7/51) (NCAA Semi-Finals) The bout had an odd ending. Scheberies dropped Sanders at 1:05 of the 3rd round. The bell was rung then and it was officially ruled as a decision for Scheberies) 1952 Mar 24 Norvel Lee New York L 3 (NY Times 3/25/52) (Finals - Intercity Heavyweight Golden Gloves Title) May -- Johnny Little (Ire) Dublin, Ireland W 3 (Ireland vs US) May -- Bernard Navarre Paris, France TKO 2 (France vs US) May -- Willie Walloscheck Berlin, Germany KO 1 (Germany vs US) May -- Francesco Cavicchi Chicago, IL W 3 (Italy vs US) Jun 7 Lloyd Willis Omaha KO by 1 (Mid-West Regional Olympic Boxing Trials) Lloyd ended Ed's long winning streak with a devastating knockout victory. Lloyd was a soldier stationed at Ft. Riley, Kansas. "Willis dazed Sanders with a series of solid right hand smashes in the first minute of the fight, then chased him around the ring ...with both fists flying. Sanders absorbed enough punishment for ten men before he crumpled to the deck. He tried to get up but pitched head-long into the ropes and was counted out." (1) Jun 18 Jack Scheberies Kansas City TKO 2 (First Round of Olympic Trial Berth) Jun 21 Lloyd Willis Kansas City KO 2 (Final Olympic Boxing Trials) " Willis stood up to Sanders at the start and it was obvious he came prepared to to knock out Big Ed as he had done two weeks before in the Mid-West Regional Trials. Willis landed several good blows in the early fighting but he slowed up as Sanders began to find the range with jolting lefts and rights which he fired to both head and body. Sanders buckled Willis' knees with a right cross to the jaw near the end of the first round and then moved in relentlessly. The action was still rugged in the second frame but it was Sanders who was doing the damage and he finally dropped Willis with a terrific left hook. Willis staggered to his feet but was in no condition to do battle with Sanders who knocked him colder than a February morn with a vicious right-uppercut to the chin." (1) 1952 Olympic Games - Helsinki (July 28 - August 2) Jul 29 Hans Jost (SUI) KO 1 First Round Jul 30 Bye Jul 31 Giacomo Di Segni (ITA) KO 3 Quarter-Final Round Aug 1 Andries C. Nieman (SAF) TKO 2 Semi-Final Round Aug 2 Ingemar Johansson (SWE) W DQ 2 Final Round "Navy sailor Ed Sanders... operated like a lesser Joe Louis. Big and strong, he demonstrated power that was more than slightly frigtening to his opposition. In the final against Sweden's Ingemar Johansson .....Ingemar wanted no part of him. He ran, literally ran, from big Ed, and the referee disqualified Johansson for not fighting." (2) 1953 Feb -- Charles (Sonny) Liston Chicago L 3 (Chicago Golden Gloves) After winning the gold medal, Sanders served 2 years in the Navy and turned professional in Boston where he was stationed. Professional Record 1954 Mar 8 Sonny Nichols Boston KO 1 (debut) Apr 1 Billy Booker Boston KO 1 Apr 10 Henry Anderson Boston KO 2 Apr 24 Willie Wilson Boston L 5 May 23 Battling Jack Flood Boston W Dsq 4 Aug 12 Willie Wilson Boston W 8 Oct 5 Bert Whitehurst Boston D 10 Oct 26 Bert Whitehurst Boston W 10 Dec 11 Willie James Boston KO by 11 (New England Heavyweight Title) (Died from injuries sustained in loss to James)
Yes there is, I think there are a few secons of highlights on youtube. it shows liston with his incredibly freakingly long arms throwing punches at some really tall chizzled dude, that appeared to be ed sanders.
Liston was noted as being 20 years old in 1953, making him 31 or 32 for the Clay fight, which is what most sources list him at.
naww he was prolly around 34-35 when he fought ali. he looks about in his mid twenties at least in 1953
About 16 or so. Off the top of my head, both Patterson, both Williams, Machen, both Ali, Wepner, Martin, Clark, Rush, Westphal, Harris, Whitehurst, Zech, and Bethna. I recomend watching Harris, Bethna, and Zech sometime. Liston was awesome in these matches. Post Ali, Liston slowed down a lot.
The Liston family is listed on the 1930 census and Charles was not yet born. The 1932 birth date thus seems reasonable with the census the best evidence available.
Besmanoff is on film and on youtube. You thought Liston was awesome against Zech? I thought he had slowed down a great deal by this time myself.
Mr. Q: Great job in collecting this info on Liston (& Sanders). Liston actually looks "happy" in the photo above. His life must have been really hard later.
The closest thing to a birth record for Sonny is an arrest record, which lists him as 22 in the beginning of 1950, thus born 5/08/1927.
You would have to explain why he isn't listed in the 1930 census and why his OLDER brother was born in 1929. I think the census is the best available evidence. The arrest record is probably a clerical error.
This quote comes from the founder of the Philadelpha Boxing history Website "I am not so sure about Sonny Liston being only 20 years old in 1953. I have a picture of Sonny in 1950 in the Missouri Pen and he looks like he is then in his mid twenties. To further muddle the Liston age question, famed Philadelphia Daily News boxing writer, Jack McKinney, reported that one day in a Philly gym one of Sonny's brothers was an unwanted visitor and was brushed off by Sonny who called his brother "Charles." This brings up many possibilities about Sonny Liston's age, one being that maybe he was using this brothers name and/or birthdate."
I don't think that's very reliable evidence. It's just a person speculating about Liston's age. Let's face it, some people are in their twenties and still look teenagers. Some teenagers look like they are adults. Judging someone's age is never accurate. I would rather trust the birth record that someone speculating about Liston being older (which of course, only started after he needed an excuse to look horrible against Clay).