Sonny Liston at 28 vs Mike Tyson at 20.

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  1. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sonny was not averse to taking a backwards step to create room, but usually came forward, pressing the fight. Two unstoppable forces collide -- who takes it?
     
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  2. Thread Stealer

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    Exactly when was Liston really 28?

    1955? 1960?
     
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  3. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When he beat Patterson, if I'm not mistaken.
     
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  4. C. M. Clay II

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    Whenever a big, strong fight came at tyson, Mike was usually pushed back. My guess is that for Tyson to win he would have to throw good combinations of precision power punches while going backward as he did with Berbick. But the difference is unlike Berbick, Liston would be throwing leather back, preferably in the form of the best left jab in the history of the heavyweight division, and one of the best left hooks of all-time. IMO, sooner or later, Tyson would be eating punches by the mid rounds, because of his lack of height and reach, and would be taken out subsequently.

    Sonny Liston TKO 8 Mike Tyson:good
     
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  5. C. M. Clay II

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    Around 1957.:good
     
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  6. McGrain

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    This one is actually harder than you think on account of Tyson. I can't believe for a moment that Tyson will fight against Liston the way he tended to fight at around that age - not that he was fighting bad fighters, just that he never took on anyone like Liston.

    If he does, of course, come out like he did against Marvis Frazier, he will get stopped in one or two. Assuming he comes out more sensibley, more balanced, less aggressive...who knows? Personally, I think the less aggressive Mike fights, the more he would tend to lose instead of overall flow.

    Based on these two factors, I pick Liston. I feel there are more ways for him to win.
     
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  7. mr. magoo

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    Difficult to say. As CM already pointed out , Liston had finely polished attributes like no other. What's more, he was not intimidated by anyone he ever fought ( a problem that many Tyson victoms tended to have ). On the other hand, Tyson took punches and overcame the talents of many top rated fighters who bigger, and possibly stronger than Sonny. The Razor Ruddock fights, put Tyson's heart and chin to the test. His power spoke for itself.

    It would certainly be interesting.
     
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  8. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Liston by KO
    Tyson is mentally beat befor he steps into the ring with Sonny.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    There may be something to this. What Tyson pretended to be? Or what he allowed the media to bullying him into pretending to be? That is what Liston actually was.
     
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  10. anut

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    i think tyson would knock liston out in 7 or 8rds......
     
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  11. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson wins by decision if he fights him smart and not slug. Otherwise, Sonny stops him in 4 or 5 rounds.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Great point. So we've discovered, for ourselves, without any help from CT or Janitor or anyone, a great intangible for this fight.

    Can Liston score on Tyson's head coming in.

    Unsure - but I will promise you, Tyson isn't coming "through" any Liston jab. If he gets hit, he loses that exchange, badly.

    Because I would favour Liston to hit him with a decent % and don't see Mike KO'ing Liston early I think it adds up to a very horrible opening three rounds for Mike.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Well Larry's jab sure wasn't all that by the time he met Mike, we know that. Whilst you are right to call Liston's jab slower and more ponderous than peak Holmes jab there probably wasn't all that in it as regards the guy that met Mike. But anyway, it's neithere here nor there really. Liston's jab doesn't have to be particularly quick because Mike's head movement wasn't designed to ditch specific shots - it was designed to test accuracy, temprament and timing. All areas where Lisotn excels.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    You're talking about a specific punch. I said shot. He can be timed, like Frazier, it's just more difficult.
     
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  15. ironchamp

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    Larry's jab may not have been where it once was but it was formidable. And so was Pinklon Thomas's jab as well.

    I tried watching the Liston Patterson fight (the first one) to analyze how a Liston Tyson fight would play out. I can't help but think that Tyson would be doing more damage to Liston than vice versa being the bigger puncher, and having the faster hands.

    Tyson is actually the bigger of the two, though he is shorter. A Liston victory is definately a possibility but If I were an odds maker with a miser mentality I'd make Tyson a favorite.


    Tyson TKO6
     
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