Sonny Liston - Had To Lose In Lewiston, Maine

And if you would have come forward with that type of post then that's fair. But you did NOT. Instead you tried to paint a picture of back room dealings, speculation based on arms length transactions...all trying as you always do to detract from what more than likely were two very legitimate wins by a fighter listed today as the best there ever was. The purpose of your posts are to discredit, not educate. To speculate on unrelated events weaving a inaccurate picture of what really happened.

Both fights formally investigated and no fix found.

Listons shoulder was examined by a total of 8 doctors after fight one and indeed his shoulder was torn. He was given a bad battering...sliced cheekbone, broken nose and a break of his eye orbital. No evidence of a fix watching the fight. Just a super quick young future tag beating a slow aged champion. Been done a hundred times before and since.

Second fight Liston trained like a demon possessed by all accounts. More than likely overtrained. You don't kill yourself in training if a fight is fixed. Liston could not touch Ali in fight one...why would fight 2 be any different? Liston was hit and more than likely hit hard based on the fight film. Experts at ringside stated the punch and resulting ko were legit. Formal investigation after the fight revealed no evidence of a fix.

End of story. Go ahead and start your next string with the sole objective of twisting the truth to discredit Ali.

 

Your post has no facts just speculation. Do everyone a favor and develop some decency. Post to educate not distort. You do a huge disservice to most on here who don't have a clue. I for one am done with this topic.

 

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R "HOUDINI" , "Ali_" , "Stevie G" , "johnmaff36" , "Solomon deeds" ol de seim ?
Or did "Bokaj" start at least 1 of them in order 2 "save face" (or save integrity) of his original account ? or r there actually 2-3 different ppl there running these 6 accounts ("Bokaj" included) .


Most of those who've seen de fight live thought that it was a fix , including most of fighters in attendance , Ali (himself) thought that it was a dive (but will probably claim that it was legit in a hindsight if interviewed/asked about it :yep) , almost every boxing commission in de world that mattered and even some of those that less mattered banned Liston as soon as after de 1st fight , and Liston's (and his handlers') reasons were brought in detail in this thread and others .

But HOUDINI will keep posting (4de 5th time or more?) that Liston's foot was lifted by de 4ce of de panch and that he was found innocent by de innocent boxing commission .

There was no Larry Hazard in office back then , was there ?

 

hey pepe, maybe you can explain big cat williams 1st knockdown - that didn't look like much of a shot with ali going backwards. did williams take a dive? big cat did look in good shape tho. ali didn't have any fighting skills to win fair don't ya think?

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p.s. i think here at his peak he was light years ahead of any other heavyweight. liston was unlucky to be facing him coming to his peak.

 

Williams was aged and

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going in against Ali , was not he ?

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There's no mystery about that. The judge granted an injunction because Inter-Continental Promotions weren't licenced to promote fights in Massachusetts. They tried to use the local promoter Sam Silverman as a front man but it didn't wash - any more than their attempt to work around the WBA's ban on rematch clauses in the first bout.

Of course, it may well be that the authorities would have turned a blind eye if it had not been for Liston's criminal past and connections, and Ali's membership of the Nation of Islam. But the verdict was a straightforward matter of legality, not an opinion on the likely outcome of the fight.

 

Formal NY state athletic commission investigation came to the conclusion there was no evidence of a fix. Patterson, Torres, Fleisher, Walcott, SI reporter and as per those sitting at ringside who were in position to see the punch felt the KO was legit. Please show a formal investigation that came to the conclusion that the fight was fixed.

 

But you DO see fights Ali had during his first reign where he floors contenders with what looks like glacing blows. Williams first KD and the KO of Folley as the knowledable posters mentioned. So Ali was showing similar punching capabilities during that period in his career. Later on we all know he had hand issues which hurt his punching power.

 

What's Sam,Bams,and Dan got to do with it?

 

u think that only u can fake it 2 your hubby ?

 

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