Sonny Liston - No Title Shot Because of KO 1 to Ali?

timmers612 · Nov 18, 2014

jowcol said: ↑

Apples and oranges.
Floyd got the Chuvalo fight because he fought stupid against Sonny (in the pundits eyes) and he came back in 64 kicking Eddie Machen's ass.
At the same time the Great Ali emerged. After Ali beat Patterson in Vegas (Nov 65) Floyd was damaged goods in the public's eyes. The 'pundits' and public wanted a new face. In 66 Patterson went to England and knocked Cooper's d**k stiff. May have won BOTH Quarry fights but it didn't matter. Then came the elimination tourney and by the time new WBA champ Ellis faced Floyd in Stockholm the 'pundits' and the public wanted new blood in Ali's absence. No chance for Floyd do get a piece of the title for a third time. "Let's move on, Floyd is a relic" in everyone's eyes. Game stacked against him. After Ellis and until Ali beat him in 72, Patterson showed himself as the ATG champ that he was as an aging fighter. Feel free to disagree.
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Good posting but I can't agree with the implication that Ellis win over Floyd might have been arranged, I had the bout a draw and either winning by a round would have been very reasonable. Ellis fought sloppy and Floyd never accelerated in a bout that was his for the taking, but didn't.

timmers612 · Nov 18, 2014

Liston's only possible chance for a bigger bout would have been to come out on top over Martin where someone may have thought to put him in with Quarry or Chuvalo. Too bad history took care of that.

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