Sonny Liston of the First Ali Fight vs Peak Rocky Marciano

Marciano had twice the amateur fights as Liston.

Ali punched quite hard when he sat down on his punches. And the second fight with Liston is not seen as terribly legit. Liston was certainly cognizant and appeared to be ready to get up. If you are bringing up a fight when Liston was over 40, perhaps a decade beyond the age at which Marciano retired, then you are really reaching. As for Martin being a C-level fighter, he was ranked #4 by Ring in 1969, #7 in 1968. Hardly a C-rater.

Walcott was nowhere in Liston's league as a puncher, and certainly not in his dotage when Marciano faced him. There is a reason Walcott retired. He was done. And Marciano met him on the doorstep of done. And let's not forget that Walcott lost almost one out of every three times he stepped through the ropes.

Styles make fights. Marciano is custom-made for Liston. It would be a proper thrashing that ends with Marciano unconscious.

 

Ali never claimed someone is good puncher without reason, and not only that Ali was honest guy himself.
Well Marciano who was 46 almost 47 just joked and he was old man, so yeah that proves that he hit god damn hard when he still had that power even at that age.
I think that Ali was serious when he talked about that.

 

Agree, Martin was no slouch. The focus is often only on Liston in that fight and where he was at, at that stage of his career.

Leotis fought a very good and courageous fight. He knew to work a very stiff jab and he worked it very well from go to whoa. Even though dumped hard in round 4 (?) he scraped himself up - he clearly came to fight.

Open to interpretation, but at least within the parameters of his own career, that could’ve been viewed as Leotis’ own Buster Douglas, Tokyo moment and those were terrific punches he landed for the KO.

 

Very cool thoughts. One wonders how old Liston really was at that point.

 

Not great amateur and started boxing at very late age.

Lennox Lewis,Wlad,Vitali,Walcott,Holmes...were champions in their mid and mid late 30s so how is that past prime only when you are talking about Sonny Liston?
I dont think Marciano beats every man because no one is unbeatable and Sonny is beatable too.
Rocky retired because back problems and lack of desire for fighting, and what is Liston excuse for quitting?
I just could not get it that there is tons of excuses for Liston when he struggled or lost but when I do that just once for Marciano then it is too much ha??

Is Liston skillful as Ezzard or Walcott?I do not think so and I think that Joe Louis is even more skillful.
There is an article about Johnny Tocco talking about fighters he trained with and mentioning holding a heavy bag with Dan Florio and said two hardest punchers were Walcott and Sonny.
KO percentage?Foreman has lower KO percentage than Marciano but he did not hid that hard same with Tommy Morrison and MIke Tyson.

Nope, you got it wrong.Schmelling threw the fight purposely to show Nazi that he is not supporting them.
If you are boxing fan and do not know anything about that, then we could not talk about Louis vs Schmelling.
Even Louis believed in that since he expected better fight even from the older Schmelling.

If I lie why Baer almost knocked Louis in the corner until Louis started swinging back?
Oh yeah that is a lie too ha ha.Just look at 0:30 second and 1:17 also in the corner when Baer started swinging?
Oh that is a lie too I guess.

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Your reason is just the size and stories about intimidation and being feared from Sonny?
Would Sonny intimidate Rocky with size and stare?I do not think so.

 

Cheers bro - and true, even given a YOB of 1932, Liston would’ve been 37 yo, but that last census, IIRC, had him possibly 7 years older again (= 44 yo).

 

Martin beat an ancient, disinterested alcoholic in Liston at that point. Comparing this version even to the 1964 version is just not intellectually honest.

 

How many prison amateur fights and how many golden gloves?Much more than Rocky.

ALI was never called hard puncher by any of his opponent.Ali's punches produced approximately 1,000 pounds of force. "No matter what his opponents heard about him, they didn't realize how fast he was until they got in the ring with him", Jacobs said. The effect of Ali's punches was cumulative.
Liston was at oldest maybe 39 and Marciano beat Cockell when he was 32 which is not that big difference.
Was Martin introduced in boxing HOF and is he rated as ATG?He was a better club fighter and joruneyman, he was also lhw.
Leotis Martin won the 1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions at middleweight by decision over [url]James Ellis[/url], the Intercity Golden Gloves' championship at middleweight by decision over [url]Bob Warthen[/url], and the National AAU at middleweight.

In 1961, Leotis made the final of the Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions at middleweight vs. [url]James Ellis[/url], won an Intercity Golden Gloves' alternate fight at middleweight by decision over [url]Larry Carney[/url], and the National AAU at middleweight.
Yeah Sonny and another MW and LHW like Marty Marshall same story.

Walcott dropped Joe Louis, was ranked as one of deadliest punchers ever and his KO of Ezzard Charles is one of the best ever filmed.
Yeah he was not good puncher I get it...ha ha.
Walcott was at his best beating Charles and giving Louis helluva fights so he was not that done as you stated.
Walcott lost many fights when he was novice and he is the reason that I can confirm boxer gets better and better when is fighting often and aften 30s.Same story with Archie Moore.

Style make fights but Marciano was not swarmer, but a hybrid between swarmer and slugger.He has the power to slug with Liston and chin,heart and stamina to wear him down so yeah that is not case this time about that bad style matchup.
Yeah like Liston and Leotis Martin ex MW or with Marhsall.The same way Sonny beat them he would beat Marciano, yeah right.

 

Dude, really?

 

You’ve got it wrong. Marciano is a terrible match up for Liston. He’d drink his blood.

 

Come off it. You can barely make an argument for Prime Liston beating Marciano if you know anything.

 

Yes, that is true story.
Hitler held so many jews and Schmelling wanted to show that he did not supported nazis.

 

Ok.

 

Even Liston past his best smashes Rocky to bits