Sonny Liston of the First Ali Fight vs Peak Rocky Marciano

What about Marty Marshall Record?
He has 58.33 losing ratio?
I dont think that his losing ratio is worse than those guys you mentioned.
And Marciano won all fights he fought unlike Liston who still lost against journeymans and that is what counts the actual boxing record.
Both fought and struggled with Journeymans but Marciano won unlike Liston.

 

The belt was a publicity stunt dreamed up by boxing promoters who were trying to pressure promoter Mike Jacobs into giving the ex-world heavyweight champion a rematch with current champ Joe Louis. Jacobs did not give Baer another bout with Louis.

 

That’s cool. I’ll have a look - but a link didn’t appear for me.

 

If his manager refused to give another fighter second chance, that is refusing to give him rematch.

 

Liston being a 50 for Marhsall?
What drug you are using on daily basis so I can use that too?

10 years before his best then 10 years after then you bring that he threw the fight so what is next excuse please?

Again Lie Marciano retired at 33 years old, and again did he lost a fight against someone like Marty or Martin?
Nope.

 

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Ah, I assumed that was the clip you were referring to. So Lou Costello asks the question, not Max?

And even then, is normally vocal Max pushing for the rematch, like saying “Yeah Joe, let’s get it on”?

AS IF Louis would avoid a viable rematch with Baer. Max’s career was put paid to not longer after - and it’s just as well Joe Louis wasn’t assigned the duty of doing same.

All that Max Baer ever said of Louis otherwise indicated that he accepted that Louis was his master.

 

Again, you miss the point or pretend to.

Marciano had turned 32 just prior to his LAST fight vs Moore. Quibbling over 1 year or 2 is deflection from the main and obvious point.

Liston was much older than 32 when he lost to Martin. Good chance Marciano would’ve begun losing to less quality fights HAD he continued his career.

Why do you think Rocky left the game at such a relatively young age? Old LH Moore KD’d Rocky hard and gave him a much tougher fight than many people acknowledge.

There were strong warning signs for Marciano to leave the game - which he did and good luck to him for having done that. However, you can’t use what happened to Liston at much older age as discredit to Sonny relative to Rocky who retired young.

 

But this is second time you are chaning someone's years in your favor.
Good job friend just keep doing that, you're awesome at changing years.

At oldest 39, 33 and 39 is not that big difference as you want to make it.
Good chance is what if, but you're still judging Liston and Marciano with what if to underrate Marciano and overrate Liston.
The boxing book does not work from what if but with things on record.
On Marciano record there are not defeats by 2 bums unlike Listons.
Same goes with Tyson what if, but we don't rate boxers thinking about what if but we rate them on what actually happened.

 

Show me EXACTLY where I’ve changed anyone’s years as you put it.

That’s just false filler for your post. Repeat, show me.

What actually happened was that Marciano’s last fight was just after he turned 32 yo - so you CAN’T include and duly compare Liston’s loss at an official 37 yo - (and Liston was arguably that bit older) - to anything Marciano did at the same age since Rocky had ceased fighting at an age at least 7 years younger than Liston was when he lost to Martin.

Marciano retired for obvious reasons - do you want to pretend that you don’t know what those reasons were?

Little difference between 32 yo and 37 yo? That’s a desperate reach.

 

I love Marciano V Liston matchup s.
They bring out the best posts by far.

 

And the most delusional.