Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

Are you seriously arguing that modern heavyweights would weigh the same if they were fighting during Liston's era ?

 

Not absolute proof agreed,but it is a fairly indication that Liston punched harder than Klitschko.

 

It seems to me that you stubbornly denying that modern fighters are allowed to weigh a few pounds more
in these modern times than they were in Liston's time.Yes or no ?

 

One knocked out sub 200 heavyweights and small heavyweights the other knocked out SHWs idk just based on that I'd have to say Wlad hit harder

 

Wepner was hardly a sub 200 heavyweight ! At the risk of sounding pedantic Bethea weighed 204 lbs.

 

Oh come on ! Look, 7 of Bethea's teeth were knocked out.Why on earth would people lie about this ?
So according to you the first Liston punch knocked out,let's say 2 of Bethea's teeth? Perhaps the second
Liston punch knocked out ,again let's throw in a number, 3 of Bethea's teeth ? And finally just for fun,let's
say Liston's third punch knocked out the remaining 2 teeth that Bethea lost ?
Very,very unlikely.
Bethea's teeth were extracted by a single punch by Mr Sonny Liston.

 

He was a feather fisted bum though lets be real

 

No it seems to me that you are the one that's missing the point of my argument.Under modern conditions Liston
would easily match Brewster by putting the comparatively paltry additional 10 pounds ( we are talking heavyweights here ).
Trying to argue that Brewster was physically superior to Liston because of a few pounds is just nonsense,

 

I thoroughly dislike the use of the word '' bum''.No man brave enough to step into the ring deserves such disrespect.
Now back to the matter being discussed-- Liston inflicted the most appalling damage on the 6'5'' Wepner while Liston was way past his peak.At 6' 5'' Wepner was only an inch shorter than
Wlad.Liston,with his enormous reach,would definitely be able to catch Wlad with his punches.
This could be very bad news for Wlad.Very bad news indeed.

 

Thank you.The stats you have quoted underline that the physical differences between Liston and Brewster are minimal.Yes the same Brewster who destroyed the 6'6'' 245 lbs Wlad.
Again,thank you.

 

Not really, Wlad was a guy who ruled for 10 years Terrell was a… guy? Begging? Just like Cooper, Chuvalo, Norton and other C tier guys? How about Bonavena? Ali was a mortal, he had style issues, Wlad would KO him or UD Ali and I’ve already gave you something - got anything else besides “But Terrell was tall” or “Nah bro” how does he counter Wlad’s length? Break it down, How does he get past the jab as the front runner? Did he ever? How will he behave as the aggressor? If his counter arsenal is mostly “pulls” where does that leave him as the smaller “stubbier” guy? Do you think Futch / Norton understands how to jab better than Wlad and Stewart? I’d say they’d come to the same conclusion, jab with the shorter Ali keep him at the end of his straight punches and you defang him and let’s not talk about how great he was at avoiding left hooks… I have a feeling Ol Wlad sneaks his in there.

 

You're putting way too much stock in a fight against a mediocre, feather-fisted opponent with awful defense. Wlad was faster, more physical, and far more technical than Wepner. I highly doubt Liston could withstand Wlad’s power, let alone impose himself the same way he did against a much lower-level fighter.

 

Oh come on.For goodness sake use your own eyes.Look how Wlad absolutely froze against Fury.Do you really
think dear old Wlad would'nt have been even more bedazzled by the young Muhammad Ali ? Seriously ? Please,go away and think seriously about this.

 

You are overlooking the fact that Wlad,for all his undoubted greatness ( yes I do actually regard the younger Klitschko as a great heavyweight ) was a very,very cautious guy.
He would have been severly inhibited when facing a fighter of Liston's tremendous power.
Shades of the Fury fiasco,

 

Liston vs Wlad “30lbs is nothing” okay so Marciano vs Liston isn’t a huge difference eh? And stylistically he’d be the guy for the job… or does it not count now? Can I finally say 190lbs Toney vs Foreman? Or does that not count still? Patterson was only 10lbs smaller then Ali but Brewster isn’t that much bigger then Liston….? Visually the contrast is interesting between Brewster and Liston, Liston looks a little “blown up” or carrying too much extra weight, Brewster looks like a big athlete.