Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

You also lied about Wlad setting up the pulev KO set up from a jab. You lied about a lot of things so you have no moral high ground or have any right to lecture me.

You can't even post a simple request because you can't.

Here's the very first engagement from the pulev fight and represents how it played out till the knockout. Top 4 jab of all time and he can't even beat pulev to the jab huh?

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I have no quit in me

 

Just used it it was fine at first but this guy was starting to annoy me so whatever he can seethe in his hate in his corner

 

So use it. I never needed it to ignore you but youre following me around like a bad smell the last few weeks and Behaving like gossiping sissyboy

 

They're just different guys. Both are fine examples of the greatest boxer and neither really steps on the other toes.

Joe doesn't use McCoy's corkscrew. Ali does. Ali doesn't use Johnson's posture and positioning. Joe does. It's super hard to say one is better. That's all I meant to say in the dive using Marciano too.

Dempsey uses Gans's jolt so it is easy to compare, at least the mystique and reactions, of their punches. Gans is not even a HW but I think you'll get what I mean.

Tua and Tyson, clearly similar, easier to compare. Tyson is superior in form attempting the same techniques. As is Patterson. Tua makes up the lack of speed and reflex with his mass and tuatanium chin. Patterson, in raw form, imo, the best of them, but may not be the best boxer all around. Tyson's the nicest mix of brutal and smooth.

Getting crazy with it, Sullivan vs Usyk on nothing but boxing ability. .. ... ... ... Anyone who gives an honest comparison here and really believes in it is ignorant, deluded, or both.

Marciano is WAY more comparable in to Tommy Ryan than any HW.

So categories across them all. The men you are used to seeing top ten or abouts I probably call GOAT. Like all the time. Marciano is the GOAT. So is Ali. Johnson hella GOAT. so is Lang. Mike Tyson is also the GOAT. Hell yeah Joe Louis the GOAT. They all Spartacus get me?

Who isn't a GOAT is like your Corbetts, Weavers, Nortons, Valuevs, Sharkeys, etc. Good if not great ATG HW champions but clearly a class below. Tua, again. His pal Ike.

Then I go into mostly contender/single strap ranks and I do not believe there is any shame in being a great contender. I know this forum is going to **** on me for these names but it is my opinion. Povetkin, Stiverne, Martin, all belong in the same class. The likes of Billy Miske, George Carpentier, Harry Mathews. The sort that is very good and if you know their story but also very much after thoughts in the shadow of the GOATs and Great ATGs. Very good ATGS but not great ATGs ... yes i know the G in ATG but you get what I mean and for lack of a better term it's ATG.

Finally you have those guys who were good, could have been great for the most part, some of them could have been GOATs but something held them back. Your Ninos and your McCalls and such.

 

Well it was respectful until you were required to put up the footage then you got very salty because to fanboys like you nothing hurts worse than the truth.
Btw I didnt even chose liston in this thread. Gun to head id probably go with Wlad. My stance here is Wlad is not top 4 jabber of all time.
If disputing that claim is deeply triggering to you then you need to get out more

 

Oh I have done. I'm working it in as often as possible because 925ft-lbs ... no skepticism? I'm begging people to be skeptical, or, handle that stat.

Because is seem like what you said is the truth; most are avoiding it entirely, but, it really can't be avoided.

And I'm sure you know why.

Because 925 is not far off the cannons used during the war of 1812. So either tell me that's BS, with some proof, or, accept Marciano kills any man at any time and the only reason he didn't murder them all is mercy and his mom's prayers or some such similar acceptance of jesus ****ing christ though bro.

 

Bit hard to do that when the primary source of the story is the fighter's manager.

 

You made me burst out laughing at work, *******.

 

Well, Wlad certainny had a better time "bursting" with experienced men like Rahman and Mercer than he did with a girl in her 20's like Penettiere

 

Too right mate !

 

Liston's feat of his removing 7 of the unfortunate Bethea's has been so accepted for a long time.I'm
not saying this is cast-iron evidence that it happened but it would be surprising ,that under the circumstances,
it was a myth.

 

Bethea fought 22 times after that. Against Cleveland Williams, Karl Mildenberger, Eddie Machen, Henry Cooper, Ernie Terrell, Alex Miteff ... you'd think there would be one photo of him with missing teeth.

Losing seven teeth is like ALL the teeth in the front of your mouth. Where are all the TOOTHLESS Wayne Bethea photos?

You can certainly find picture of Leon Spinks with his front teeth missing.

Multiple reports don't confirm he had seven teeth knocked out. They just repeated the claim.

HUNDREDS (maybe thousands) of reports repeated the claim that there was a long time delay between rounds of the first Clay-Cooper fight while they found and replaced the split glove.

Dundee claimed it. Ali never denied it, even though the claim made him look like he needed saved.

The New York Times was still claiming that happened 10 years ago.

That didn't happen, either. The film confirmed it.

And, like the Clay-Cooper 1 fight, there's nothing in the film of Liston-Bethea showing a guy who lost SEVEN TEETH. Or any for that matter.

Tim Witherspoon got a tooth knocked out against Bonecrusher Smith and he kept spitting because of the blood in his mouth.

You lose seven teeth, your mouth is full of gore, you're spitting, your corner is concerned.

YOU and your corner aren't standing there yelling at the ref asking why he stopped it, right?