Sonny Liston or Wladimir Klitschko who rates higher as a all time heavyweight?

I don't want to engage with you anymore its tiring and I get nothing from it and you misrepresent or nitpick every example I give so what's the point I'll never convince you to let go of your hate and you'll never convince me I'm wrong lets just agree to disagree and move on.

 

Fair response for most people it usually comes down between Joe Louis and Ali from what I've read from your perspective would I be correct say you would prefer Louis over Ali? Or am I wrong and you would just classify them both as GOAT candidates and assess them based on personal preference? Or does it depend?

 

You also lied about Wlad setting up the pulev KO set up from a jab. You lied about a lot of things so you have no moral high ground or have any right to lecture me.

You can't even post a simple request because you can't.

Here's the very first engagement from the pulev fight and represents how it played out till the knockout. Top 4 jab of all time and he can't even beat pulev to the jab huh?

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I have no quit in me

 

There's an ignore function.

 

Just used it it was fine at first but this guy was starting to annoy me so whatever he can seethe in his hate in his corner

 

Life is short. There are better ways to spend it than angrily arguing with people over retired boxers.

 

So use it. I never needed it to ignore you but youre following me around like a bad smell the last few weeks and Behaving like gossiping sissyboy

 

There are a lot of (often dubiously sourced) claims in boxing about punching force measurements, to the point where I think the forum in general tends to tune them out.

If you do have a professional background in projectile physics -- and considering both your taste for creating threads about obscure historical information generally, and how salient the 925 seems in many of your posts about Marciano in particular -- it might be worth your while to make a thread that examines claims about punching power tests in history. Which ones sound credible, which are not, and how we should interpret all of the numbers' significance when assessing boxers.

 

They're just different guys. Both are fine examples of the greatest boxer and neither really steps on the other toes.

Joe doesn't use McCoy's corkscrew. Ali does. Ali doesn't use Johnson's posture and positioning. Joe does. It's super hard to say one is better. That's all I meant to say in the dive using Marciano too.

Dempsey uses Gans's jolt so it is easy to compare, at least the mystique and reactions, of their punches. Gans is not even a HW but I think you'll get what I mean.

Tua and Tyson, clearly similar, easier to compare. Tyson is superior in form attempting the same techniques. As is Patterson. Tua makes up the lack of speed and reflex with his mass and tuatanium chin. Patterson, in raw form, imo, the best of them, but may not be the best boxer all around. Tyson's the nicest mix of brutal and smooth.

Getting crazy with it, Sullivan vs Usyk on nothing but boxing ability. .. ... ... ... Anyone who gives an honest comparison here and really believes in it is ignorant, deluded, or both.

Marciano is WAY more comparable in to Tommy Ryan than any HW.

So categories across them all. The men you are used to seeing top ten or abouts I probably call GOAT. Like all the time. Marciano is the GOAT. So is Ali. Johnson hella GOAT. so is Lang. Mike Tyson is also the GOAT. Hell yeah Joe Louis the GOAT. They all Spartacus get me?

Who isn't a GOAT is like your Corbetts, Weavers, Nortons, Valuevs, Sharkeys, etc. Good if not great ATG HW champions but clearly a class below. Tua, again. His pal Ike.

Then I go into mostly contender/single strap ranks and I do not believe there is any shame in being a great contender. I know this forum is going to **** on me for these names but it is my opinion. Povetkin, Stiverne, Martin, all belong in the same class. The likes of Billy Miske, George Carpentier, Harry Mathews. The sort that is very good and if you know their story but also very much after thoughts in the shadow of the GOATs and Great ATGs. Very good ATGS but not great ATGs ... yes i know the G in ATG but you get what I mean and for lack of a better term it's ATG.

Finally you have those guys who were good, could have been great for the most part, some of them could have been GOATs but something held them back. Your Ninos and your McCalls and such.

 

Well it was respectful until you were required to put up the footage then you got very salty because to fanboys like you nothing hurts worse than the truth.
Btw I didnt even chose liston in this thread. Gun to head id probably go with Wlad. My stance here is Wlad is not top 4 jabber of all time.
If disputing that claim is deeply triggering to you then you need to get out more

 

Oh I have done. I'm working it in as often as possible because 925ft-lbs ... no skepticism? I'm begging people to be skeptical, or, handle that stat.

Because is seem like what you said is the truth; most are avoiding it entirely, but, it really can't be avoided.

And I'm sure you know why.

Because 925 is not far off the cannons used during the war of 1812. So either tell me that's BS, with some proof, or, accept Marciano kills any man at any time and the only reason he didn't murder them all is mercy and his mom's prayers or some such similar acceptance of jesus ****ing christ though bro.

 

From what little I remember of the claim, it's that Marciano's 925-whatever was equivalent to an "armor piercing bullet."

That's a somewhat believable claim. I'm willing to buy that there are some 1950s antitank rifles that, when fired, recoiled on the user with the equivalent to getting punched in the shoulder by Rocky Marciano.

 

Bit hard to do that when the primary source of the story is the fighter's manager.