Sonny Liston v Lennox Lewis in a street fight?

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  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Awesome! I’ve read that the Devil and…is a very good book, now that you’ve seconded that opinion I might go for it. Thanks again!
     
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  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Was Gallanders book the one where he keeps brining up Sonny's **** or something? Which one was that lol?
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    About what?
     
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  4. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They might be rough tough men, but Klitschko is like 20-30lbs heavier than Cobb, he’d definitely get thrown around in the clinch, how do we know guys like Lewis or Klitschko wouldn’t be ready for a street fight when it comes down to it? Some people just don’t like instigating trouble, but if trouble comes their way they are perfectly ready do deal with it, and guys like Sonny Liston, when they’re in street fights the other guy would be **** scared and just curl up, that will have been his street fights, guys like him don’t like it when someone puts it on them back, Lewis was like 30-40lbs heavier, I don’t care how street hardened Liston was, he’d get thrown around if it came down to it if Lewis wasn’t scared, he wasn’t scared of Tyson when he tried to put it on him at that face off
     
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  5. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Tex Cobb had been in all kinds of fights. Boxing fights, Kickboxing fights, Karate fights, bar/street fights, fights where you are heavily outnumbered and they got weapons etc Wladimir would have about 20 pounds on Cobb while Cobb has a wealth of experience in different settings, of Wladimir grabs Cobb he will likely go for knees, attack the groin area, his eyes or bite Wlad.

    Wladimir said the last time he got into a fight outside the ring was when he was a kid over a girl and wouldn't even say who won while Cobb once got into a fight with him and a few friends against 20+ people armed with weapons to defend his friend who was a reporter who had been attacked. There's levels here and Cobb wouldn't be worried about Klitschko giving putting it on him, Vitali now might be a different story.

    Lewis I wouldn't count him out against Liston as much as I am Wlad against Cobb but again this is the sort of thing Liston got involved in regularly, realistically if it gets into a grapple Lewis should have the upper hand but he looked completely lost on what to do when Hasim Rahman grabbed him or when Jeremy Williams who had a Judo/MMA background threw him twice in sparring.
     
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  6. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I forgot Cobb was a kick-boxer too, yes he’d beat most boxers in a street fight then, but both Klitschko’s had done kickboxing too, so it depends on who was the better kick-boxer
     
  7. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Did Wlad do Kickboxing? I always thought only Vitali did, I've always got the feeling that Vitali grew up being somewhat of a protector for Wladimir, that whole big brother/little brother relationship.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe the person he was telling the story and replying to? I doubt John gives a **** about your opinion, nor does he need your approval to post his stories.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Active Member Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko got knocked out in 2 rounds by Pele Reid in kickboxing, it is weird to see iron chinned Vitali Klitschko, splat out on the floor not being able to get up.

     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I work in a prison so I don't know where you get off telling me I don't understand it. What are your credentials?

    Lewis ain't built for it. It's not just his "boxing style", Steward had you yell at him to open up on a washed up gassed Tyson. He appeared very rattled when suddenly exposed to chaotic situations like the press conference or the brawl with Rahman. He was out of his element and clearly isn't much of a street fighter.

    Threatening to sue Rahman over some comments he made about his family was a weak move. People would laugh at you in the states for doing that. What did I say about Lewis that you find inaccurate? Are you saying he isn't introverted and awkward?
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're equating natural fighting instinct, punching power and size to being an effective street fighter. I am not claiming Lewis would be a bum or helpless in a brawl. What I am saying is if your opponent has much more experience than you in street fights it DOES make a difference.

    As far as I know the only fighting discipline Lewis studied was boxing. That does not prepare you for someone choking, kicking, elbowing, or head butting you. Or someone grabbing a stick or brick and smacking you in the head with it.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    People need to go look at footage of Cobb kickboxing. He is even slower than he was as a boxer. It's not exactly fear-inducing.
     
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  13. Moggy94

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    Chuck Wepner wasn't exactly a man known for his speed but Don Turner picked Chuck Wepner as a guy who would come out on top if it was street fighting
     
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  14. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Ron Stander was adamant that he'd take Joe Frazier in a street fight
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A shot Quarry was confident he could take Norton in a fight, and tbh I think he would've.
     
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