Sonny Liston vs Deontay Wilder

There's nothing "fanboy" about thinking 6'7" KO artist who knocked out every man he faced for 12 years and held the WBC heavyweight title for five years and made 10 successful title defenses and is ALWAYS in shape ... knocks out a guy who lost to a light heavyweight journeyman ... got knocked cold by 199 lb fringe contender Leotis Martin ... and quit on his stool and took a dive in his last two title fights.

In fact, you have to be a pretty biased to think Wilder doesn't win.

 

And Wilder would go the distance with Machen with the difference that Machen will win the fight far on points.
Machen was at least as skilled as Jimmy Young who goes the distance with Foreman
who according to your logic would have to squish Young because he looked like a child at best compared to Foreman.

Also makes no difference because wilder's jab does not exist and liston can also jab to the body.

 

You massively overstate the case for Wilder, to the extent that only an obsessed fanboi ever could.

If Wilder can connect, he probably wins this and he certainly has certain physical advantages (there's a definite argument that the direction of the sport into larger fighters is a strong case in favour of the bigger man here).

The question is whether Wilder has the skills to take advantage of his physical advantages here - and given how limited Wilders skillset is, that's a big question mark.

There's also his resume... Liston would fight whoever was put in front of him, Wilder has fought largely poor fighters with only a couple of exceptions (one of whom schooled him twice), so how likely he'd be to stick one on an ATG is at the very least debatable, even with massive physical advantages.

All I'm saying is you REALLY ain't helping make it easy for anyone to want to engage in conversation about this when you leave all nuance at the door.

 

Eddie Machen was six foot tall (not six foot anything, six foot tall) and weighed 195 pounds when he stepped in the ring. And Eddie couldn't last one round with Ingo.

If Wilder even signed to fight a guy who was six foot tall and 195 pounds (the day of the fight) ... who had been blasted out in one round by Ingo ...

This board would melt down with threads like "Wilder skipped the Bridgerweights and went straight to blown-up Light Heavys. What a joke."

If Wilder floors the 6'9" 270 pound Lineal World heavyweight champion TWICE, and it goes to a draw, he gets no respect.

You think he'd get any even signing to fight someone like a six-foot 195 pound Machen?

The ridicule this guy gets is off the charts, especially considering everyone he fights outweighs him, often by ridiculous amounts. And he still has blasted out all of them (but one.)

That's what's going to make bumping these threads so great in the future.

Because I remember arguing with guys on threads in the early 2000s who said Lennox Lewis was the worst heavyweight champion ever, had the worst chin ever, that and no heavyweight champion had ever been knocked out twice with one punch, and how Lewis sucked, he was as awful and an embarrassment ...

And now he's considered maybe one of the top 5 heavyweights all time.(LOL)

Some people can't see "the forest for the trees" as they say.

 

I agree, it's not easy to make a case for Liston when you look at his career as harshly as you look at Wilder's.

Especially when someone says look at all the bums Wilder knocked out ... and someone else says look at all the bums who went the distance with Liston who he couldn't knock out ... and look at the light heavyweight who beat him. (LOL)

Especially when someone posts videos of how awesome Liston was technically, leaving out the fact that he quit on his stool, took a dive, or got knocked cold at the end of those fights.

Yeah, it does make it difficult to make the case for Liston when you actually put Liston under the same microscope as Wilder ... and you don't just bash Wilder and cut the other guy all the slack in the world.

Sucks when that happens. Takes all the fun out of bashing Wilder.

 

Right man, but that is not at all the definition of a slugger or "pure slugger".
There is a recent thread you can find that defines the 4 types of styles-I did not mention boxer-puncher yet.

A swarmer tries to get in close to smash you, but when you are near & punching, & it meets the other qualifications I added such as high volume...Of course this is in-fighting.
Sluggers tend to look for more one shot deals or shorter combos, but mainly they seek the middle distance to get Full Power for their punches. Also they tend to be taller so they nee it for leverage.

An obvcious example of a slugger is George Foreman.
Who you can often see literally (& illegally) pushing back fighters, using his great strength to get the distance he needs to be most effective.

 

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Wilder looks for his shot and takes it, KO in the 7th. Wilder leading on the cards at the time too.

 

"There's nothing "fanboy" about thinking 6'7" KO artist who knocked out every BUM he faced for 12 years and held the WBC heavyweight title for five years and made 10 successful title defenses against BUMS ( he ignored his mandatory, Derek Chisora, for years. He gave a guy outside the top 1,400 fighters a title shot instead of a ranked contender. Wilder made Sonny Liston look like Joe Louis in that Liston made his titles defense, against the world’s #1 ranked fighter, Muhammad Ali while Wilder was defending against guys who worked as bakers or cab drivers and calling them title shots. He fought the worst competition of any fighter who claimed a title. In his 11 supposed title defenses, only two of Wilder contenders were universally ranked in the top 10
Tyson Fury who drew with him after a few months back from losing 100 pounds and drugging for a year, and then with a few extra months to round into shape, beat the holy crap out of Wilder, and 400 year old Luis Ortiz, were the only universally ranked contenders Wilder faced. Indeed, of 9 opponents in 11 defenses, only 2 opponents were universally ranked - the other 7 were completely unranked. Liston did knocked out out a guy who lost to a light heavyweight journeyman, he knocked out a great hall of fame fighter who, until MIke Tyson he was the youngest heavyweight champion whois one of five undispued heavyweight champions to win an Olympic Gold Medal; the only undisputed heavyweight champion who won an Olympic Gold Medal as a middleweight; (Mike Spinnks only won part of the title, and until Muhammad Ali was the only fighter to regain the undisputed heavyweight title; he still remains, with Ali, one of two fighters to regain the undisputed heavyweight crown, he faced 10 all time top 100 heavyweights, and beat 7 of them at least once; he was the third light heavyweight to step up and win the undisputed heavyweight title, and remains the last of 3 to do it.
He got knocked cold by a truly lucky punch when he was ahead and atleast 42-43 years old by Leotis Martin, he quits due to his injured left shoulder that he could not lift, Vitali who is supposed to be a warrior also quits against byrd " .

 

My friend, you need to take wilders balls out of your mouth long enough to actually give yourself time to get acquainted with the history of boxing.

You have literally pointed to the two last fights of Listons career in order to make points about how you think wilder would best him. Are you mentally ******ed?

And seeing as though we are picking apart a fighter based on fights that happen at any stage of their career....if a morbidly obese man can drop wilder with a jab, what makes you think liston couldn't stop him?

Try to familiarize yourself with context you dick riding casual.

 

Liston would have destroyed the bum.