Sonny Liston vs Eddie Machen

On the other hand, seven years later Machen made it into the tenth against Joe Frazier and was stopped on his feet (I think, only saw a HL and that was a while ago)

 

Eddie Machen was a fine fighter, IMo...if he didn't have so many demons, who knows what he would have achieved.

 

I admire Machen in this fight, he showed both brains and balls in hanging in there and refusing to be just another ko victim of Sonny's. Some may disagree with that, but they would have had Machen offering up himself as a sacrificial lamb, frozen with fear, like so many of Sonny's opponents. Yes, Machen showed he had brains and balls in this fight...even taunting Liston at times..

 

ingo would have soiled his pants at the thought of crossing swords with liston

 

I think the Ingo of 1958/'59 would have fought Liston, and would have been fairly confident too.
Johansson was pretty good, he might have looked basic, but he set his traps, and hit hard and fast.
He was a flash-in-the-pan fighter though, who enjoyed the bright lights, the partying, and the *****. He was never a demon for training, and he lost any semblance of hunger and discipline as soon as he won the title.

 

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ingo would have been tapping sonny with that jab and when he felt listons own jab he would have thought "what the **** is that" and the end would of been nigh.he could have belted liston with his hammer of thor and may well have used a lump hammer.no response.
liston was too hard

 

Ingo's only chance is catching liston with a perfect right hand. otherwise liston stops and brutalizes him in 5 rounds.

 

i don't think ingo's money punch would have bothered sonny if it landed

 

I liked this fight very much. Interesting contrast of styles, nice pace, some controversies and solid shots. Very good HW fight in my eyes.

 

A thing about Eddie Machen, he didn't give a **** about Liston's reputation and all that "ex-con bogeyman" stuff, he had no reason to be intimidated by that crap because he was an ex-convict armed robber too.
He spends much of the fight cursing Liston out and provoking Liston to play rough.