Sonny Liston vs. George Foreman

Actually in very rare cases.nearly Always i was insulted first if you check the posts

 

I never ever said that liston was not a puncher, what i said and i say is that he never ever stopped a guy that could suggest that he would beat an animal like joe frazier, foreman was not liston.foreman was bigger,stronger,had a better chin,had much bigger heart and did hit harder and his style was different

 

I've been watching you for years Boxeo.

 

Foreman was not that much better than Liston at all. As a matter of fact many here are taking Liston.

People who believe Foreman was no different post Ali will simply hammer you with the Lyle fight. Lyle wasn't a patch on Liston.

You run around championing Lyle but let me tell you he is overrated as a puncher and a tad underrated as a boxer. What contenders did Ron Lyle ever ko? Shavers? Lots of people got Earnie. Who else? His claim to fame as a puncher is dropping George badly multiple times. What's doin' there?!?!?!?! Foreman was a 5-1 fave too even after the Ali shellacking - just how highly was Lyle thought of at that time?

 

Stamina and boxing ability would be factors as well. The fighter with the tighter defense would likely win. Both guys could hit a ton but who is catching clean shots is gonna give it up. Foreman's defense was too open and his conditioning inferior.

 

By that same token. Just because Foreman survived Lyle doesn't mean he could take Sonny's shots.

It's a bad matchup for Foreman. He would have to eat that jab and more clean punches.

 

yes he was in the important areas that would be relevant facing frazier


Wait a minute... You have the balls to insinuate that lyle was not a hard puncher with the old and ridiculous argument of "tell me who lyle did knock out". Ok.. Tell me who shavers did knock out? Uh? EVEN BETTER TELL ME WHO THE HELL LISTON DID KNOCK OUT? The fragile patterson and williams? He could not even stop eddie machen. Hurting,dropping more than once a sturdy chin like foreman's in the early rounds is a much bigger proof of having power than anything that liston showed against this poor opossition . NOBODY DID IT TO GEORGE AFTER OR BEFORE ( PEAK HOLYFIELD,COONEY,FRAZIER ,STEWART,COOPER,BRIGGS,MORRISON).
Earnie shavers took the shots from larry holmes during 12 rounds and previously to lyle he was stopped just against jerry quarry and ron stander who was
(9-0 7kos hardly a light puncher). So shavers was way more durable than patterson , and even more than williams, cleveland would not last 12 full rounds with a prime larry holmes.when you are defending the power of liston the worst argument that you could use against lyle is asking for his best ko victims it is like landing stones in the roof of your neighbor when your own roof is made of glass.
You are the one who loved testimonies as evidence of facts right? Shavers rated ,himself LYLE and foreman the 3 hardest punchers ever.
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There isn't really anything to suggest Shavers was more durable than Patterson and certainly not more so than William's. This belief that Listons competition is poor doesn't hold up

 

Lorenzo Zanon went 12 with a prime Holmes why is Shavers doing the same a big feat?

 

Can somebody ban this piece of cra...?

 

To the point. I got Foreman.

 

Yes so Lyle had a one night only cameo as a monster hitter. Ok.

Dropping Foreman isn't a show of power that overshadows anything Liston ever did.

I love Earnie but durable? Spare me. Whether it was chin or stamina or both on numerous occasions Earnie had his troubles.

In a career spanning 20 years Patterson was stopped by Johansson and his monster right hand (twice avenged), Liston and his fury and Muhammad Ali, the GOAT. Ali stopped Foreman in their title fight quicker than he did Patterson.

So Patterson was stopped by three people in 20yrs. This makes Patterson fragile?? Earnie was stopped by 6 people (7 if we go to Yates) over a similar period yet you say he was stopped by just 4? Fair go. You nominate Ron Stander as a hard puncher because he had 7ko's in 9 fights?

Liston has a much better ko resume than Lyle. What lineal champ did Lyle ko twice in 1 round? Liston ko'd numerous top 10 fighters and Lyle had what, maybe 1 over a guy not known for durability.

Who did Shavers knock out vs Lyle? Well Shavers knocked out Jimmy Young and dropped him on another occasion earning a draw. Lyle didn't drop him at all in 22 rounds losing big in both fights. Shavers also has numerous notables singing his praises in unison. Not so Ronny.

I'm loving how you are building up Earnie's chin to such high status in order to promote Lyle's power while you are always trying to knock down his punching (power) prowess in an effort to put George above him. Good to see Earnie finally getting some praise from you tho even if it is agenda driven. He;s certainly taking a back seat to Sonny right now.

Again Lyle has next to nothing around Foreman to show this great power. Nothing against Ron he was a good honest toiler but his power gets bloated and his boxing skills a bit glazed over.

 

Seriously you boring me. If the english was my idiom then gladly i would kick your ass here debating but i don't have time to lose

 

Yeah ok

 

Wait a minute, aren't you adamant that Marty Marshall knocked Liston down in their second fight? You know the fight where Liston destroyed Marshall, flooring him four times on route to a 6th round KO. So which one is it?