Sonny Liston vs Jack Dempsey? Both in their prime

Dempsey by KO in the middle rounds.

 

Prime, thank you for your kind words. It means a lot to me to know I am not alone,and there are still some thoughtful posters on ESB. Not BECAUSE they agree with me, but they come to the forum with an open mind, and have respect for the vast majority of great boxing historians of yesteryear
who saw Jack Dempsey in his prime years, and held him in such high esteem. To hell what Sam Langford, Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Max Schmeling, Jack Sharkey,and other old fighters , and historians said about his unique fighting abilities, these visceral haters of a man who never hurt them ,somehow KNOW BETTER...Less power to them ! Dempsey's legacy
still has some valid supporters...Thanks P.:good

 

You excelled yourself there pal haha the Patterson comparison is probably the lamest thing I've ever heard - Patterson was a fine man and a respectable champ also but come in man you can't compare him to Jack Dempsey??? Jack Dempsey was one of the most ferocious deadly fighters in history - Patterson for all his grace simply wasn't - he had a glass chin in comparison to Dempseys hard as nails chin and he also was like a scared rabbit in the headlights against Liston and as far as size he really was Not as big as Dempseyphysically - weights are one thing - but Patterson just was not the same size a Jack at all you only need to see them together to know that - Patterson was pretty fragile and lacking in physicality to be compared with Jack Dempsey - ridiculous comparison haha it's like comparing Liston with pinklon Thomas because they were within a few pounds of eachother - people are really starting to get embarrassing on this board now haha

 

I love Dempsey but simply cannot imagine him surviving this match up ... Jack saw red when hit and hurt ... that was his biggest weakness against a guy like Liston ... he did not keep a cool head and box and move ... he got hit and came charging in .. he might survive a Marciano who was much smaller with a tiny reach but Liston , with that huge reach, I just don't see it ...

 

I feel the same way about Foreman as well. For sure they could belt Jack silly if they got him but in terms of styles I think they are at a disadvantage.

All anyone ever has in terms of a rebuttal is weight and supposed 'skillz', when Dempsey had more experience than Liston and Foreman combined.

Folks need to learn the difference between looking nice and being complete.

 

he,respectfully Dempsey would circle Liston until he woukld get inside Sonny, and Dempsey was the most ferocious inside hitter ever. His much faster hands would hurt the much slower hitting Liston, and any slower
opponent that a prime Dempsey hurts ,he finishes the job. Of course Liston was a great puncher, but so was the much speedier prime Dempsey,and as Gene Tunney had said,Dempsey's chin was never exposed,and he was hard to hit cleanly on the button. Speed and toughness the Manassa Mauler had in spades,and he NEVER cut and NEVER quit. If ever necessary Dempsey
in his prime had great wheels ,able to move quickly to avoid punches with his bob and weaving style. He was more troubled by smaller faster boxers
ala Joe Louis [Pastor, Conn,]then out and out sluggers .One more thing, Dempsey was described as "amazingly strong ",and his weight was misleading...Did he have the greatest title resume ? No, but he beat
whoever he met during his prime years. The greatest "warrior " in the trenches in HW history...Cheers...

 

McGrain if you think the comparison with Patterson is a good one then you don't have a (Mc)grain of sense in you brain at all and/or you are just clutching at straws to try to drag out the argument - some of you people on this forum are just laughable in the extent to which they'll try to argue certain points - you can't even see how ridiculous you make yourself look - saying Patterson is anyway similar to Dempsey in either style substance or technique is just flat out bull totally TOTALLY different fighters - Patterson was a peek a boo fighter who lept at opponents and had very little punch resistance and he had severe confidence issues - totally different physical and (more importantly) mental make up - not to mention Patterson had little hope of shifting Liston with little physical force behind his shots - when ever did Patterson break jaws or break cheek bones or smash teeth out or beat 6'7" giants renowned for their durability half to death?? Did Patterson score 25 first round kos did Patterson ever become the most famous fighter in the world renowned by the fight fraternity for his ferocity or lethal kill or be killed style??

 

The Patterson analogy is terrible; it just shows today's misguided fixation with size.

Dempsey was leagues above Patterson and certainly did not have a peek-a-boo style. Dempsey had a much better chin and much better power in all his punches than Floyd Patterson. Patterson could be intimidated; Liston would not intimidate Dempsey.

And, for Pete's sake, at 6'1", Jack Dempsey was taller than Liston!

Rejecting the opinion of contemporaries, eyewitnesses, experts of the time, all-time great champions from different eras and the consensus of a half century, is not having an open mind: it's revisionism.

I'll take Sam Langford's opinion, Ray Arcel's opinion, Mike Tyson's opinion.

Give me three comparable names, from different eras, who believe Jack Dempsey was as overrated as some say here on the Forum.

Until then, you cannot aspire to credibility as it pertains to Jack Dempsey.

 

Haha you sound like a sulky teenager "well janitor sez so?!" :rofl