Sonny Liston vs. Jack Johnson

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  1. Muchmoore

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    How's it go down? It's a 15 round fight.
     
  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    I would pick Johnson by decision. I wouldn't pick Liston to KO Johnson as he's too difficult to hit flush, and I think he would show his terrific counter punching skils by countering Sonny's jab all night, which he was extremely affective at doing.

    Liston would of course steal some rounds though but I would have Johnson by decision something like 9-6.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Me too!
     
  4. round15

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    Johnson by UD over 15 rounds. Liston may catch him and hurt him once or twice in the fight, but Johnson's defence and footwork would have Liston off balance all night.
     
  5. Muchmoore

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    Keep in mind Johnson didn't have the blazing speed of young Clay and wasn't a dancer in general. Liston has an edge or is very close to Johnson in nearly every category except defense, actually. Although Johnson has the edge in speed.
     
  6. TommyV

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    Johnson will still pretty quick though. Liston would find it difficult to hit him clean and Johnson was a master at countering the jab.
     
  7. Muchmoore

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    Yeah, Johnson was quicker than Liston but pretty much everyone was. Of course Liston would find it difficult to hit him, but the same would be said of Johnson as Sonny had an under rated defense.

    Listons thudding jab also wouldn't be able to be caught with an open glove or easily parried. I don't know who to pick in this one yet.
     
  8. he grant

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    Johnson was lightning fast. In addition, he may have been physically stronger than Liston, something Sonny was not used to ... Johnson chops him up ...
     
  9. McGrain

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    Johnson has fast, fast, fast reactions. He might not leap about like he's been bit but "the train never reached the station" as Torres put it.

    I make an uncertain pick for Johnson but would like to hear a bit about how Johnson deals with the jab. Liston's jab was extraordinary.
     
  10. radianttwilight

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    Liston cuts him up and stops him inside of ten.
     
  11. Muchmoore

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    That's whats keeping me from picking Johnson now, as well.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Unless the fix is in, Sonny is going to win the largest purse for the prize money.

    Johnson's defense on film vs out fighters is average. ItÂ’s true, look at the Moran or Willard fight, or read the news read of the O'Brien fight.

    Jack was a better in-fighter then out fighter, but few could hope to clinch Liston, and hit him all day with uppercuts. Sonny was too big, too technical, and hit too hard, and he was 5X the out fighter in comparisons to Moran or Willard who outscored Johnson from the outside on film.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    johnson was old washed up and obese when he fought moran and willard.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Ok, then judge him in fight vs O'Brien ( who out jabbed him ), or Jim Battling Johnson ( who was robbed into a draw ), or Marvin Hart ( even depending on the source ) if you prefer.

    If you ask me, Liston whips Jack O'Brien, Jim Batting Johnson, and Marvin Hart in the same night. Those who think Johnson wins via decision need to quantify how. He did not throw enough punches, was not aggressive and relied heavily on clinching / wrestling, and in most cases vs smaller fighters.


    There is no way for Johnson to out jab Liston on a consistent basis. Johnson had a low guard, and pulled back well enough vs smaller fighters less skilled fighters, but that game will evaporate into thin air vs a much longer, Ram rod jab that landed with 15" fists.
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    a slaughter. Liston KO's him within 3. another farcical matchup.