Sonny Liston vs Jersey Joe Walcott

Liston by mid round KO

 

If you're going to mention a loss that Liston had long before he reached his peak, then I can give you about 10 of those for Walcott. So the argument doesn't really pan out in his favor. And Machen lost most of the rounds against Liston.

 

Marshall was really a light heavyweight, so his win over Liston is significant. And even though Machen may have lost most of the rounds, none of the rounds were one-sided, and he easily went the distance against Sonny. At the end, he looked like he could have gone another 10 rounds just as easily! It makes me wonder how Walcott, faster, smarter, and harder-hitting than Machen, would have done.

 

That was his 8th pro fight and he was laughing at Marshall when he got his jaw broken. Lost a 10 round split.

Liston beat him up and easily twice after that. It is probably time to stop holding that one loss against. Even if you hold it against him it will hold no weight when I am in the conversation.

 

Thank you..

 

Sonny had 7 pro fights and was clowning around with Marshal. He beat him easily on two occasions after that, minus the clowning. Should we talk about Walcott's loss to 11-15-1 Johnny Allen while being in his 40th pro fight? How about his KO loss to Abe Simon in his 36th fight? Or his loss to Roy Lazer in his 32nd? Shall we go on? And WTF does one guy going the distance with Liston ( and losing ) have to do with anything Walcott would do? Would you pick Walcott to beat Tyson, Lewis and Holmes on the grounds that some guys took them to the cards?

 

I'm not saying Walcott would win. I'm saying he would have a chance. Marshall went the distance in their 3rd fight with having only 4 days notice as a replacement. That was Liston's 15th fight.

 

This is probably sacreliege but I am going to post a boxrec detail of their third fight.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Sonny_Liston_vs._Marty_Marshall

Pretty much says after a even first round Marshall was running the rest of the fight meanwhile taking a beating.

 

Interesting. Marshall, at a weight of 179 and only 4 days notice, went the distance against Liston. That was the same man who beat Liston in the 1st bout. Machen also easily went the distance without ever being in trouble. And yet it's incomprehensible that JJW would have a chance?

 

I mentioned two guys going the distance, Marshall at 179 lbs., and Machen. The significance is that Liston may have found clever, skillful boxers difficult to deal with. Again, I'm not saying JJW would win. I'm saying that because of styles he might have a chance.

 

Machen went the distance against Liston by boxing on the retreat, bottom line he lost.
Going the distance does not equate to winning and no one thought he had. Walcott was dropped by guys that couldnt get near Liston for power. Fiye years before he faced Liston Marshall scaled 182 for a fight.Marshall could bang a bit too.

 

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You haven't read anything I posted saying Walcott does not have a chance.

Walcott cannot beat Liston because Liston is greater. That is not a knock on Walcott. Liston was that good. You are ignoring other post that point out the Walcott was KO'ed by fighters less than Liston yet you have not read many people say that Liston KO's Walcott.

(I should have known better than to challenge you too much on this point. Sometimes we never want to admit when we may be wrong so then we start opening up with all kinds of other things that no one in the conversation said. We are trying to do you a favor and sharpen you up on this point. If you want to fight it go right ahead but you are not looking at the argument objectively because if you were you would scrutinize Walcott just a hard)

Marshall went the distance because he ran away. Context. After Marshall beat Liston in the first match he won two more fights and then lost three in a row including a vicious 4KD beating by Liston. Then he went two win and losses and then lost another fight to Liston that he did not even try to win. And you want to penalize Liston. Machen had no chance and Liston did not even have to work hard to beat him. He just casually went the distance with a solid contender. I remember studying that fight and all I saw was Machen trying like heck and Liston not really doing much. I remember laughing out loud when Machen tries to pick Liston up and shove him into a corner. Machen was frustrated and Liston was chillin'.

Had Marshall fought Liston, he would have been put away like he did in the second fight. Liston laughed at him in the first fight. That tells me that Liston did not feel threatened by this man. Liston had weight on him but more importantly boxing skill.

 

liston has 11 inch reach advantage.that's a massive.

 

Thanks for the info.