Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier 15 rds

Any one ever bother Liston with body shots?:nono
Any one ever bother Frazier with head shots?:yep

 

who did Liston fight that was a fierce with the hook to the body and head as Frazier. Also the Frazier pace plays a role in this one. I also think Joe beats Sonny to the punch

 

Sonny beats almost everyman to the punch . 84 inch long arms . Longer than Foreman . Tied with Lennox .

 

I can't see it being competitive for long.sonny would lump up Fraziers face and use the uppercut on smokin joe who's bobbing and weaving would be asking for that punch.
Liston ko5 Frazier

 

I think the real issue here is one that Boxed here taught me. Frazier is a one armed fighter.

 

Way to much is read into the Frazier/Foreman fight and used to conclude that Liston would have done similar with Frazier. This is wrong for several reasons. 1) Liston was not as aggressive or as big as Foreman, he was more a boxer/puncher who picked his shots 2) Foreman DID NOT keep Frazier away with his jab which was similar to Liston, he kept him away by flat out pushing him back. Look at the films. Frazier was able to slip Foreman's jab he surely would have slipped Liston's to. Liston was not a pusher like Foreman was (a tactic that is illegal and he should not have gotten away with in Jamaica and he was finally warned in the second round when it was way to late!). 3) Foreman did not fight the 1971 Frazier as he always admitted 4) Liston did have trouble with inside fighters who fought him close which neutralized his long arms-its a simple fact the longer your arms are the less effective you are against inside fighters 5) Even Patterson who was petrified of Liston showed some ability to make Liston miss by bobbing and weaving (in the words of Max Schmelling "I see something 6) It's very doubtful Liston could have intiminated Frazier which was half the battle and Frazier is going to be throwing punches in bunches it's all he ever knew, Liston who had slower hand speed than Frazier is going to have to spend time blocking punches everyone seems to think he is going to be the only one throwing them. 7) It goes without saying that Frazier had far more guts than Liston as his career shows and in this kind of a matchup where both guys can be hurt courage under fire is a factor.
Is it possible Liston will quit on his stool because his arm hurts? Can you even imagine Frazier doing that? 8) People seem to think all anyone has to do with Frazier is throw uppercuts, it that were true why do you think more fighters weren't successful against Frazier doing that? Answer - you leave your face open for a hook -do you want to do that with Frazier's left hook??
8) A lot is made of Liston's record but who did he ever beat that Frazier would not have been favored to beat? And ask yourself who did Frazier beat that Liston couldn't beat? That tells you who the better fighter is if you can truthfully answer those questions.
In boxing anything can happen especially when two punchers meet BUT when you do all the math there is every reason to believe that Frazier beats Liston!

 

Liston and Quarry get a lot of love on this forum. I don't get it. That's where the comparison's stop... Liston was much better than Quarry.

Anyway, I'll take Frazier everyday of the week.

 

At Frazier's best he dropped and outworked a close to prime Ali for a 15 round decision. While both men were past prime but still very good, they fought for a 3rd time in a war. Ali won that 3rd match (TKO14 when Frazier wasn't allowed to come out for the 15th by trainer Eddie Futch.)

Sure, Foreman stopped him twice and some of you think Liston could have beat Foreman... but why?

Frazier went 29-0 (25) overall and 10-2 (8KOs) in HW world title fights prior to his fight with Foreman. He had wins over Oscar Bonavena W10 (in Frazier's 12th pro fight) and W15 (in Frazier's 22nd pro fight, a much more convincing win), Eddie machen KO10, Doug Jones KO6, George Chuvalo KO4 (only stopped by Foreman and Frazier), Buster Mathis KO11, Jerry Quarry KO7, Jimmy Ellis KO4, Bob Foster KO2, and Ali W15 among others.

 

Frazier took a few rounds to warm up on several occasions but not always. He was green in the first fight with Bonavena. Bonavena dropped Frazier twice but was never close to stopping him, Frazier did enough for the win. An improved Frazier clearly beat Bonavena in their rematch. The 1st Bonavena fight was the 1st time he had been past the 6th round. Frazier did get early stoppage wins over Chuvalo, Ellis, Foster, and others.

Liston isn't going to stop Frazier early. Frazier would be well prepared. This is prime vs. prime... Frazier's not going to be surprised like he was vs. Foreman. He will know what to expect.

 

Ali was nowhere near prime when he lost to Frazier.

 

The brute truth here is Liston was sixties Mike Tyson and wouldn't have had a big problem with smoking Joe. Ali's fans here delude themselves into believing Liston was beat by him; he wasn't the fights were rigged and people can thumbs down all they wish but they know as well as I it was,Liston on 10 of the ights I have was a menace and very much a powerful and destructive force who despite Joe's ability to take it on the chin would be knocked out by round 5.

 

Helluva fight. Shooting fish in a barrel? I don't know, Frazier's pressure could cause major problems.

 

I think Liston's reach would be more than enough to nullify it.

 

Can`t ignore Liston`s advantages. He has the size, boxing skills and power to give Joe a rough night. I would pick Sonny probably by stoppage. I wouldn`t be that surprised if Joe made me eat my words though. He was a helluva warrior.

 

No it wouldn't. What a silly comment. Liston's gonna need more than a reach advantage to put Frazier away. You need to grind your gears and toughen it out against a man who'll keep coming. Liston proved his grit against Cleveland Williams, twice, but those were early knockouts. This will be won over the long haul. I picked Liston by KO but it's not a given.