Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Ali Frazier, Mar 22, 2014.


  1. SeanK

    SeanK Member Full Member

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    Great match up. Overall I think Liston and Foreman are cut from the same cloth in many aspects and Liston would carry the advantage.

    Frazier’s heart and affinity for slipping jabs make him a live dog in every sense of the word though.
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Wait hold on...that comes from Ali fans. They use the hospital angle because Ali whined about the decision in a fight he clearly lost for several years. He used the race card everything. Just clarifying. I know why Frazier was in the hospital and yes the effort he made and the stress of the event had alot to do with it. Perhaps the deaththreats played a part IDK because I didn't walk in Joe's shoes during that.
    The truth is Joe had high blood pressure issues years before he fought Ali. So in a sense I agree with you Ali punches themselves didn't put Joe in the hospital. Hell they couldnt even back him up.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes I looked at that thread. Just to clarify, you think Sonny was not shot when he beat Henry Clark but he was shot when he lost to Leotis Martin?
     
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  4. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One of Frazier's biggest boosters here is Choklab he maintains Frazier was damaged goods after FOTC.I say he looked much the same as ever in the second Quarry fight 3 years after FOTC .Frazier won the FOTC, no if's no buts.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    By their second fight Quarry was just as past it as Frazier was. And so was Jimmy Ellis. All three were shop worn in the rematches with Frazier. This is why they were selected. Ellis and Quarry were familiar foes of similar mileage.

    Shopworn fighters can still have a good fight. Think of the rematches Hearns had with Leonard or Duran had with Leonard. Then you put Leonard in with Terry Norris and see what happens.

    It’s all about levels dear chap.
     
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  6. Tonto62

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    I think Frazier looked as good in their second fight as he did in their first,I did not mention Ellis.
    Quarry wasn't shop worn, 6 months earlier he had one of his biggest victories kaoing Shavers in1 round,less than a year earlier he had handily trounced Ron Lyle!
    Quarry was the 4th ranked contender!
     
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes he did, but they both declined.

    Quarry took a beating winning his warm up fight only weeks earlier against joe Alexander. So sure, Frazier looked sensational. Quarry was damaged goods too.

    You can be a good fighter and still be damaged goods. If the guy you fight is just as faded nobody will notice.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra will always bite back... Full Member

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    There is no evidence to say he was younger
     
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  9. Tonto62

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    Neither Frazier or Quarry was shot in1974 . I'm no expert, but I flatter myself I can see any appreciable marked evidence of decline in a fighters reflexes, speed of hand and durability.
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes there is. The 1940 census lists Charles at 10 years old.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I agree it was a good fight. Perhaps Frazier’s last. He obviously had enough left to fight as well as he did against another declining fighter.
     
  12. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Quarry didn't take a beating that's just nonsense, he got knocked down in the 1 st round, knocked Alexander down twice in the second and stopped him!

    Watch the fight!
     
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  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    As Don Dunphy says “Quarry’s not the fighter he was of the Shavers and Ron Lyle fights”.

    This was just weeks before fighting Frazier. A novice teeing off on Quarry here.
     
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  14. Tonto62

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    I repeat Quarry did not take a beating in that fight.I know it , and you know it!
     
  15. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member booted Full Member

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    Ali who was much faster than Liston couldn't time Fraziers bobbing and weaving in fotc, he was exceptionally hard to catch regularly
     
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