Sonny Liston vs Lennox Lewis

liston was 6'0 1/2 rounded up to 6'1. many papers had him listed as 6'1.

bruno fight pretty much even? then im guessing you simply looked at boxrec and didnt watch the fight. bruno badly outboxed lennox for 6 rounds until lennox got smart and unleashed his left hook.

yes it tells me valdez took a horrible beating from liston and that he realized he had no shot at the heavyweight title with liston in the picture.


your dodging the fact Sonny Liston beat wayne bethea, Mike Dejohn 2x, Harold Carter, Pat Mccmutry. Since I know that you like to go by "ring rankings" mcmutry was ranked 5th when valdez knocked him out in 1 round, and dejohn was ranked 7th when valdez twice beat him, and wayne bethea was ranked 8th when valdez beat him. all this occured just one year before he fought sonny.

Nino Valdez was ranked # 2 entering 1959 the year sonny liston fought him, so whether you think valdez dramatically lost all his abilities in months, its quite clear that valdez was still a big damaging dangerous puncher when he fought liston as evidence by his victories over contenders in a year span window around the time he fought liston.

Ever think he retired after one more fight after liston(in which he knocked out brian london) because liston beat him up so bad he forced valdez into retirement?

perhaps you dont see it because the fog that wreaks of bias is clouding your vision? I explained to you that valdez was knocking out legite contenders months leading up to the sonny liston bout and entering the beginning of the year was himself ranked # 2. Valdez clearly was still a one of the best punchers in the divsion and had the size(6'3 215lb).

It compares favorably when you consider 2 of those times lennox was knocked out cold by one punch


Liston took williams, dejohns, valdez flush punches without blinking. Hell even hard punching floyd patterson hit liston a couple times and liston laughed.

For what its worth, in the amatuers liston faced 6'4 220lb olympic champion ed sanders and boxed ed sanders ears off for an easy decision, this was liston without world class training beating a huge powerful olympic champion with his jab and natural talent alone. pretty impressive. ed sanders would have been a great pro if not for his shortened career.

lewis style was always flawed, just more so when he fought mccall. it wasnt blind, mccall set him up waiting for him to drop that left after he jabbed.

rahman didnt catch him with a cold punch, lennox backed up into the ropes like a clown with his hands low, he deserved it to get hit like he did.

He didnt have to outbox them, he knocked them out. ranked and skilled boxers floyd patterson and zora folley fell victim in less than 4 rounds.

Liston threw a 4 punch combination that had williams head buzzing right before the the first left hook to put him down. you say one at a time, but foreman threw one a time, and he got the job done. Liston mixed it up, ive seen him throw 4-5 punch combinations a number of times while other times he threw clubbing haymaker after haymaker. He hit so damm hard it go the job done. Liston had excellent punching technique. watch the 2nd patterson fight liston puts floyd down with a 4 punch combo.

 

you just made a bigger fool out of yourself. it was a one punch kayo! one punch and it ended the fight, the ref stopped the fight, with lennox out on his feet after one right hand put him down!

 

depending on when you believe sonny liston was born, liston was around 40-41 years old when he fought leotis. lennox was retired by age 37.

Yes i have heard of those fighters. ive seen all those fights. Some of those fights lennox struggled, some of those fights those guys werent at there best when they fought lennox.

he didnt take shots, he didnt get hit flush that much and when he did he was staggered. fact is lennox had very good defense and this prevented him from getting his average chin exposed.


Lennox didnt have a glass tommy morrison type jaw, but it certainly was not a very good one. His chin was average

were not talking about the first holy fight. were talking about the 2nd holy fight.



keep up the good discussions

 

DMT

"Tunney beat a shot dempsey ****!!!!"

 

fact is one punch ended the fight which ever way you spin it. that one punch was the reason the fight ended.

 

yo do you know where I can find the full conversation you posed that time? i orginally had it and used to make a joke out of it, but its been 8 months since i last came on and cant find it