Sonny Liston vs Lennox Lewis

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm right about what? That Lewis hits harder than Liston?
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow! How convenient! You literally ignore 99% of my arguments and only refute the part you feel you can best use to support your theory.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't have a huge problem with that list, although I disagree that in an absolute sense, that Dempsey, Marciano, and Frazier hit harder than Lewis. P4p I wouldn't argue it though.

    But either way, when you're talking about anyone in the top 10 in the context of something nobody can really prove one way or another, it's all roughly in the same ball park.

    And power alone doesn't mean all that much, if it did, Shavers would have had a much better record than he does.

    But the fact you clearly used a p4p list, which included Jimmy Wilde, to support your argument as to who hit harder between Lewis and Liston, either shows desperation or a clear lack of understanding of what you're talking about. Take your pick.
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you talking about, you cited three experts to support your theory and one of those "experts" produced a P4P list of punchers, which has zero relevancy to this discussion. But apparently you can't even grasp this.
     
  5. janitor

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    My gut feeling is that there was not a lot between them either way.
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, Lewis hit very hard. He did have considerable power However, Common opponents of Lewis and Old Foreman all stated Foreman hit hardest. But common opponents of PRIME Foreman and Liston all said Liston hit harder. And, more punching power than Liston? Definitely not. Great punching power? Yes. But not Liston level power. A common opponent of Lewis and Naseem Hamed said Naseem hit harder than Lewis. If he was a common opponent of Naseem Hamed, and let's say Iron Mike Tyson. He wouldn't of said anything like that Lewis was very big and tall due to modern nutrition, and his punching power was heightened significantly, but he's not the god you're trying to make him out to be.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey Janitor! Who do you think hit harder?
     
  8. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now you are asking!

    There is legitimate crossover of opponents.

    Most people, who shared a ring with Liston and Foreman, gave the edge to Liston.

    Cleveland Williams was also compared favourably to foreman, by the people on the business end.

    Foreman fought into the 90s, and testimonies of his power are still impressive.

    I don’t think anybody said “Foreman hit hard, but Lewis/Bowe were in a different class”.

    So in summary, I don’t want to be hit by any of these dreadnoughts, and I can’t see much to separate them.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    I don't think he's a god. I just think he punches harder than Liston.
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    Which is my gut feeling also. :good
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's a reason why Sonny Liston, George Foreman, and Earnie Shavers are regarded as the hardest hitting heavyweights.
     
  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But if you were pressed to choose?
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A better question is why are so obsessed with this?

    What if we have a vote and Shavers wins, what does it mean?

    Cause we know it doesn't mean he's the best fighter in the division.

    Chuvalo who fought most of the heavy punchers in the '60's picked De John as the hardest puncher he every faced.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

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    :lol::lol: You forgot to mention, he also lumped Foreman in there as well.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

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    Well the article l read never mentioned Foreman but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he did.
     


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