Sonny Liston vs Mike Tyson Overall

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who would win

  1. Liston By Knockout

  2. Liston By Decision

  3. Tyson By Knockout

  4. Tyson By Decision

  5. Draw

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  1. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    i want to compare both fighter since many say Liston was like Tysons big brother . Lets have a breakdown of the two fighters overall in their abilities

    overall who would you say had the better speed, reaction , power , ring iq , footwork . which fighter destroyed their opponents more impressive . who was more explosive . who had a better chin ? who was hit harder , who was more athletic ?

    who was more feared for their time

    i see alot of similarities in both of em both in trouble with the law , drugs , prison . Except one was loved by the public , and the other was hated by the public .

    and who would win if these two fighters ran into each other who would win ??

    please vote on the poll only for who would win in a fight . And write only to point out who had the better abilities

    What win was more impressive

    Tysons destruction of Spinks and Holmes

    or

    Listons destruction of Patterson and Williams
     
  2. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Also who do you feel was more overated
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man this could be a great match or it could be Holyfield tyson 2 or Ali Liston 2....both are their own worst enemies but considering those fights were when they were out of prime I’ll say this is an all out war for six rounds and one of them quits or gets knocked out.gonna be who can control the distance better.
     
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  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Tyson's quickness would be a problem for Sonny. Mike is just as strong.
    They were equally over rated only because nobody is invincible.
    Their top wins are equal.
    Head to Head, Tyson based on his speed.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jim Carney- Author and Boxing Expert: Tyson vs. Liston
    Steel and concrete here. Perhaps the two heavyweight champions you’d least like to meet in a dark alley (although Dempsey, Foreman, Jeffries and John L. would also be especially fearsome in that venue). In addition, both Sonny and Iron Mike may have the same major flaws.

    Both are extremely strong and able to convert their strength into punching power. Tyson also has quicker than average hands, which added to his power and defensive ability. He is generally considered above Sonny in this area – Liston’s hand speed being rated average by some, above average by others. Tyson also had the edge in foot speed, though this might mean less than in other match-ups as both would basically be coming forward. A huge advantage for Liston would be his 13-inch edge in reach, whose value is enhanced by what many consider the most powerful left jab of all time. Liston would appear to have the edge in durability, though Tyson rates well here too. Many may feel that the fact that Mike hit the floor more times than Sonny relates to a weaker heart rather than a weaker chin.

    Both men are suspect in the matter of heart and there are specific parallels between them in this area. Each man folded when they met a man around their own talent level at their peak – Liston with Ali and Tyson with Holyfield. They also both were total embarrassments in their rematches with their exposers – Liston futiley chasing Ali then flopping down in round one and Tyson being outmuscled and outfought and then biting Holyfield twice before being disqualified in round three.

    In other areas of this match-up, the pair is close in weight, Liston’s height advantage is not significant to Tyson (virtually all of his major opponents were at least a little taller than Sonny). Though Liston and Tyson have fought men with the same main assets (strength and punch) that they face in each other, I don’t know that Mike ever fought an oncoming fighter who combined brawn and skill with a mercilessly glacial approach like Liston. Likewise, Sonny never met a man with Mike’s hard-hitting, ferocious (and in the beginning) bobbing and weaving attack.

    Tyson was probably the better schooled under Cus D’Amato and Kevin Rooney, but Liston’s trainer Willie Reddish was solid and Sonny had the benefit of training with and serving as a sparring partner for master boxer and former great heavyweight champion Ezzard Charles. Both men rate well in the skill department. However, after the deaths of D’Amato and Jimmy Jacobs and the firing of Rooney, Tyson grew notably sloppier in his ring techniques. Testimony to Liston’s skill is given by Muhammad Ali who notes that Sonny was smart in the ring. Overall, there wasn’t much difference in the quality of foes each man met and beat.

    In this dream matchup, the pair begins by competing with each other to intimidate. Tyson talks of dire consequences for Sonny and gets the famous Liston stare in return. The battle is a nip and tuck smashing war from the beginning. Tyson goes low to the body and switches to uppercuts while Sonny stabs with his awesome jab, sometimes adding left hooks and occasional right crosses to the mix. The battle swings back and forth. Despite the fact that Mike’s short arms and more or less equal strength should give him an advantage in the infighting. Sonny dominates here. For some reason, all Mike usually does in close is hold on, sometimes even grabbing the other party and holding even when he is winning an exchange.

    During his career, Tyson folded in a number of different circumstances, including incidences when he was being overpowered. Liston, on the other hand, usually only had trouble (and only gave in against Ali) when he was fighting men with styles confusing to him. In brawn to brawn confrontations he was always a man’s man. He flattened powerful Cleveland Williams after Williams had broken his nose at the start of one of their bouts. Zora Folley hit him 30 straight shots against the ropes – and then Sonny steamrolled him. Sonny also went through one of his three fights with Marty Marshall with a broken jaw. I don’t think Mike would fare that well in these situations. That’s the difference between the two and that’s why I pick Liston by a late round KO.

    By Moontan(Judge) Heavyweightaction.com -Expert

    Very difficult matchup between two of the strongest heavyweight champions in history. Both dominated their division for a brief period as thoroughly as anybody has seen. Tyson from 1986 to 1990 and Liston from 1959 to 1964. Both loss their title in two of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history. Ali was a 7 to 1 underdog to Liston while Buster Douglas had even greater odds against Tyson.

    Both were tremendous fighters that intimidated their opponents and relied on it to big advantages in many of their fights. Neither fighter held must because the were constantly coming forward throwing punches. Their opponents were always holding and grabing trying to stay upright.

    The Tyson that I am comparing in this fight was the person who dominated boxing from 1986 to 1990 before he had all types of struggles with the law and did not work or train as hard. The Liston that I am ranking was the top fighter in the world from 1959 to 1963. Tyson was never as dominating in the 1990s as he was earlier and Liston of course declined rapidly after his fights with Patterson. Both made a good living on their reputations during the later part of their careers.
    I watched more fight footage comparing these two fighters than any of the previous matches we have picked. Watching Tyson in his match against Razor Ruddock and Liston in his fight against Cleveland Williams. Ruddock had very similar size to Liston and Cleveland Williams was the most powerful fighter that Liston faced during his career. Most fighters who survived Liston boxed and moved and tied him up inside(Eddie Machen). Williams did not, he was the aggressor while the fight lasted and Liston took everything he threw at him and knocked Williams out in third round. Tyson took numerous shots from Ruddock in both their fights and Razor lasted the full 12 rounds in their second fight. Tony Tucker also gave Tyson a lot of trouble with his reach but he held and grabbed which Liston would not be doing. I see Liston’s jab and reach being a big factor in the contest as well as his outstanding boxing ability and his offensive skills. The only fighter Tyson ever faced with the offensive skills and power of Liston was Lennox Lewis and Tyson did not fair well against the Brit. Liston was much stronger than Lewis. I don’t see the fight lasting long because both fighters were so aggressive. Give me Liston in a 6th round knockout.

    The Sweet Science: by Frank Lotierzo Jan.,2005
    Who Would've Won

    A Liston-Tyson confrontation comes down to two things: who would've backed up, and who would've been the least intimidated by the other. I know this may not be popular, but I just can't envision Liston being intimidated by Tyson. Liston had no fear of Clay/Ali, and on top of that he kept going after a hard puncher like Cleveland Williams, who was in his prime at the time, even after having been nailed by bombs from Williams. Liston also chased down Marty Marshall despite having a broken jaw for the majority of the fight. This is in contrast to Tyson, who would go into long defensive shells and stop throwing punches when faced with an opponent who attacked him with big shots. I believe in a battle of wills, Sonny convinces Mike that he's not going to win easier than Mike convinces Sonny that it's not his night.

    The fact that I think Liston wins the psychological warfare translates into the physical fight and how it plays out. I think Tyson may try to jump on Liston like he did Holyfield and Lewis at the onset. The first round or two would be incredible. Tyson would probably come on very quickly, almost recklessly, and his movement and fast hands might provide him with a measure of success. But then he'd face his first problem, Liston wouldn't fall. And, of course, Liston always fired back.

    All it would take would be a few of those telephone pole jabs to take all the starch out of Tyson mentally. I also doubt he'd have the nerve to pull any ear-biting, arm-breaking **** with Liston. Once Tyson gets second thoughts about coming in with impunity and starts to think his way through the fight, he's in trouble. The moment Liston senses that Tyson has some reservations, he'd pick up the pace and apply even more mental and physical pressure.

    The way I see it, Liston stops Tyson. He had the jab reach and power, along with the style, to neutralize Tyson and his greater hand speed. On top of that, Sonny takes away Tyson's biggest weapon, the intimidation factor. It says here that Tyson is the one who harbors self-doubt, and it is Tyson who would be unsure of himself during the stare down as he faced Liston in the center of the ring before the bell for round one.


    Cox’s Corner
    If anyone could intimidate Mike Tyson it would be Sonny Liston. Liston’s awesome 84-inch reach, destructive jab, and deadly hooks and uppercuts would spell trouble for Iron Mike. As Tyson moved in he would be greeted by Sonny’s thunderous long jab. Liston was at least Tyson’s equal in terms of sheer power. Sonny was also under-rated as a boxing technician. Liston would hammer Tyson at long range, control the tempo of the fight, and batter Tyson much worse than Douglas ever could. By the eighth round Tyson would have trouble seeing Sonny’s punches and a murderous barrage would send him down for the count.

    Experts Predicted Outcome: Liston’s favor 4-0
    Jim Carney Liston KO late
    Moontan Liston 6-KO
    Frank Lotierzo Liston
    Cox’s Corner Liston KO
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Experts also rank the advatages as follows: Advantages:
    Hand Speed- Tyson, Boxing Ability- Liston, KO Power-No Advantage, Size-Liston, Defense-Liston, Endurance-No Advantage, Adaptability-Liston, Foot Speed-Tyson, Strength-No Advantage, Jab-Liston, Cuts-No Advantage, Reach-Liston(84”) and Tyson(71”), Body Attack-Tyson:
    Total: 6-3-4 for Liston

    Mine is similar though I have KO power and particularly endurance in Liston's corner.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree. Sonny was more well rounded.
     
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    I think Liston is greater and beats him head to head. Tyson, I like him a lot but I feel is underrated by about 10% (very underrated sometimes) but generally one of the most overrated boxers in history.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    I like Liston by a shade. He could go forwards or backwards and is a very good technical heavyweight upon decent inspection. At his best he's extremely durable. Liston could ship big punches and offensives and come back hard.
     
  12. Bummy Davis

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    who would intimidate who? Tyson gets the ko before the 5th
     
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  13. mr. magoo

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    I like Tyson. He could slip the jab better than any opponent Sonny fought and had power and hand speed to hurt him with.
     
  14. sauhund II

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    Similar "experts" picked Sonny to run over the loudmouth unproven green Clay...........Liston did not quit once but he quit twice against Clay and that was Listons so called prime.....unless he went shot after being prime waxing Patterson........did the "experts" pick the quit job too ?

    Liston brings nothing to the table Tyson has not seen....slow ramrod jab, check......upper level punching power,check....Liston might have slightly better technique but he aint punching harder money punch vs money punch like Ruddock/Bruno/Smith......size? What size, Liston is six foot, barely taller than Tyson......chin? ...Tyson by a mile , even totally washed up he was never cold ****ed with one shot or had his jaw broken by a Skinny......slow of foot and hand, check, Tyson beats him too easily in that department......punch selection, even, skill level and text book technique, even....... defense Tyson again by a mile, it was never difficult to find Listons chin vs up to the Douglas fight you can count on one hand how many times he was hit hard...Tucker/Bruno and Smith...thats it.

    Slow as molasses Liston will not be able to cope with Tysons speed of hand and foot, will get countered after every jab he will throw......and he will be hit like he was never hit before...speed kills.

    Conclusion: Liston has never seen or met a fighter of Tysons caliber ever.......but he did face a similar caliber in Clay and folded.......and no, nobody predicted back then that Ali would become the Greatest, fact.

    I see a slightly more competitive affair similar to the Thomas fight, after some success Liston will be eating to many shots and getting stopped.

    For the "experts" again......a shot to shid Ghost of Mike Tyson took the best right hands Lennox Lewis had to offer until finally getting stopped in the ..........ONE right hand like that put down Rahman for thre 1000 count......so the possibility for Liston to stop Prime Tyson in 6 is none.

    But But But But........Douglas....Holyfield..... McBride..Liston stares soooooooooo bad ..is soooooo tough...threw cops in trashcans......sooooo tough...I know I know, you only have to stand up to that bum Tyson and the win is a mere formality.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    Not even going to respond to his gibberish. Learn to form a paragraph coherently then we'll talk.
     
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