Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Dance84, Feb 12, 2020.
Question: name all the ATG's that Mike Tyson beats. In your opinion.
All pre-Joe Louis champs, including Johnson and Dempsey. Patterson. Quite possibly Marciano. Post Zaire-Ali. Norton. Quite possibly prime Holyfield.
Pre-Steward Lewis. Post-1993 Bowe. Any champ of this century, period.
Marciano is not a quite possibly. He would be butchered in short order. Horrific styles match-up. Probably the worst ever
. I agree with the rest of your list, but would also include Johannson, among others.
I forgot Johansson, and I am on my way to believing Marciano would have been beaten.
Wait, @swagdelfadeel...if Johansson considered an ATG?
Oh **** sorry, I thought we were talking about champions Mike would’ve beaten not necessarily ATGs. Therefor your exclusion of him was correct. My apologies
I did honestly forget about him anyway, my good friend lol
Mike Tyson is a much better fighter in nearly every aspect.
How would you know?
When exactly did Liston meet 6'2" - 6'5" 218-230lb top contenders/champions ?
This is a really good point.
I'm basing my views both on Liston's power as well as his relative flexibility as a fighter. He was able to change his style just enough to accomodate the other fighter's, something that as you know can be invaluable to a boxer. To me he was nearly as good a fighter (in a few ways better) than prime Tyson, who kicked the crap out of all of them.
Whenever any H2H Liston topic comes up, it basically stops with the same guess: What about Liston fighting fellows his own weight? Along with it, we can throw the question about his chin against mentioned into the room too. What about his power? Benefit of the doubt as well?
As far as i know, as you already said, the only save bet benefit Liston had over MT is reach & the versatility of his style (puncher or boxer type, which is very rare).
Reach & Jab: Liston
Size (Weight): Slight edge Tyson
Power: Tyson (opponents weightclass questionmark Liston)
Chin: Tyson (opponents weightclass questionmark Liston)
On a ground like that, Tyson beat taller & rangier boxers with a reach adv. on daily basis.
Liston on the other hand, never met a fighter who was heavier, quicker, more powerful and more sturdy chin than him. Not sure if he ever met a truly bigger & quicker opponent ever in his career (maybe Williams was bigger).
I see no reason to pick Liston here.
Great post, but you left out intimidation factor. On more occasions that not, Tyson had troubles with people who were completely unafraid of him (most especially those who were intimidating back at him). Liston was perhaps the greatest intimidator in heavyweight history.
Tyson does not need to intimidate Liston. Just look at the Ruddock fights for example.
I see no reason ether way to slow and easy to read
its mutiple people here ether trolling or just never seen mike or son
mike fought mutiple people who had fast jabs but was fast and they had trouble landing mike even fought slow hard jabbers and beat them easy
why would a slow easy to read son hit mike much and beat him it doesn't make sense its obvious he would lose he would be countered easy and ko fast son didnt have good defense ether
the people who beat mike used a jab whole circling around and had a decent speed behind it son never fought that way and his speed was slow he would be right there in front of mike he loses