Sonny Liston vs Mike Tyson Overall

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Dance84, Feb 12, 2020.

who would win

  1. Liston By Knockout

  2. Liston By Decision

  3. Tyson By Knockout

  4. Tyson By Decision

  5. Draw

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

    7,965
    2,192
    Nov 13, 2010
    Question: name all the ATG's that Mike Tyson beats. In your opinion.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
    All pre-Joe Louis champs, including Johnson and Dempsey. Patterson. Quite possibly Marciano. Post Zaire-Ali. Norton. Quite possibly prime Holyfield.

    Pre-Steward Lewis. Post-1993 Bowe. Any champ of this century, period.
     
    swagdelfadeel likes this.
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,320
    7,141
    Jul 30, 2014
    Marciano is not a quite possibly. He would be butchered in short order. Horrific styles match-up. Probably the worst ever

    . I agree with the rest of your list, but would also include Johannson, among others.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
    I forgot Johansson, and I am on my way to believing Marciano would have been beaten.
     
    swagdelfadeel likes this.
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,320
    7,141
    Jul 30, 2014
    Oh **** sorry, I thought we were talking about champions Mike would’ve beaten not necessarily ATGs. Therefor your exclusion of him was correct. My apologies
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
    I did honestly forget about him anyway, my good friend ;) lol
     
    swagdelfadeel likes this.
  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 "Don't try"- CB 1926-1994 Full Member

    362
    345
    Sep 22, 2021
    Mike Tyson is a much better fighter in nearly every aspect.
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,500
    2,414
    Jan 28, 2018
    How would you know?
    When exactly did Liston meet 6'2" - 6'5" 218-230lb top contenders/champions ?
     
  10. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
    This is a really good point.

    I'm basing my views both on Liston's power as well as his relative flexibility as a fighter. He was able to change his style just enough to accomodate the other fighter's, something that as you know can be invaluable to a boxer. To me he was nearly as good a fighter (in a few ways better) than prime Tyson, who kicked the crap out of all of them.
     
    GOAT Primo Carnera likes this.
  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,500
    2,414
    Jan 28, 2018
    Whenever any H2H Liston topic comes up, it basically stops with the same guess: What about Liston fighting fellows his own weight? Along with it, we can throw the question about his chin against mentioned into the room too. What about his power? Benefit of the doubt as well?

    As far as i know, as you already said, the only save bet benefit Liston had over MT is reach & the versatility of his style (puncher or boxer type, which is very rare).

    Reach & Jab: Liston
    Boxing: Liston
    Height: Liston
    Defense: Tyson
    Size (Weight): Slight edge Tyson
    Speed: Tyson
    Power: Tyson (opponents weightclass questionmark Liston)
    Chin: Tyson (opponents weightclass questionmark Liston)

    On a ground like that, Tyson beat taller & rangier boxers with a reach adv. on daily basis.

    Liston on the other hand, never met a fighter who was heavier, quicker, more powerful and more sturdy chin than him. Not sure if he ever met a truly bigger & quicker opponent ever in his career (maybe Williams was bigger).

    I see no reason to pick Liston here.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,434
    6,066
    Mar 23, 2019
    Great post, but you left out intimidation factor. On more occasions that not, Tyson had troubles with people who were completely unafraid of him (most especially those who were intimidating back at him). Liston was perhaps the greatest intimidator in heavyweight history.
     
    Marvelous Mauler likes this.
  13. Shahpoor Saiq

    Shahpoor Saiq Member Full Member

    187
    194
    Mar 2, 2020
    Tyson does not need to intimidate Liston. Just look at the Ruddock fights for example.
     
    Claw4075 and moneytheman12 like this.
  14. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Active Member banned Full Member

    731
    221
    Feb 4, 2021
    I see no reason ether way to slow and easy to read
    its mutiple people here ether trolling or just never seen mike or son

    mike fought mutiple people who had fast jabs but was fast and they had trouble landing mike even fought slow hard jabbers and beat them easy

    why would a slow easy to read son hit mike much and beat him it doesn't make sense its obvious he would lose he would be countered easy and ko fast son didnt have good defense ether

    the people who beat mike used a jab whole circling around and had a decent speed behind it son never fought that way and his speed was slow he would be right there in front of mike he loses
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2021 at 7:48 PM