Sonny Liston vs. Mike Tyson

Some think the fight would've been different a few years before, but its irrelevant, Ali would've been a teenager, but a younger Liston might've been all wrong for Ali in a fantasy fight imo

 

Cus really programmed Tyson's thoughts..He takes Cus's opinion as 100% fact Tyson, shows how much he looked up to him and how impressionable he was

 

It was never suspect, ever, his heart was, but chin wise he ranks with the best. Ruddock and Lewis landed monster shots on him, HUGE shots, so did others. Unless you beat him down with solid punching continuously you were not denting him with a shot, even when old.

 

This is a really good argument. I agree to disagree. Douglas wasn't exactly even Larry Holmes for power, he ruined Mike. Holyfield made him look like a real loser, again not exactly a great puncher there.

He took some good shots from Ruddock...on cocaine, which was originally marketed as a painkiller. Case closed.

 

Ali stopped Liston twice and one of those beatings happened in the first round so you can imagine how Tyson would do to Liston.

 

Disagree, not as sharp, but his power was very respectable, and we do know that was not your average Douglas that night, he gave Mike plenty of punishment before the end

Disagree again, Holyfield is top tier for selection/ combination punching all time at heavy, he AGAIN, landed the kitchen sink on Tyson. Not monster power, but as a puncher, taking everything in to account, Holy is one of the best punchers ever at heavy an an atg to boot

 

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Sonny used his jab perfectly in this fight along with nice hooks and uppercuts to keep Floyd off balance and on the outside the whole time.

 

Uh, not sure at all we should count that second fight....

 

The difference? Tyson would have been noisier hitting the canvas.

 

We could start a sub forum: what if both Liston and Tyson were on drugs and fought in their primes? Liston again.

 

Tyson WOULD be scared of Sonny Liston, Nobody ever blasted Liston out early, and neither would Tyson . When Mike can't get the early ko he'll be eating the hardest jab in heavyweight history and having to back up. Tyson can't fight backing up, shoot he couldn't back up Evander Holyfield and he's gonna go straight at Sonny? Liston starts bouncing Mike off his feet around round 6 or 7 and stops him in 8.

 

A bigger hitter than prime Liston? I completely disagree. Ruddock damn sure wasn't that, neither was Lewis.

 

Lewis right hand is without a doubt more powerful, faster too. Liston would club with heavy shots, all of them heavy, but for 1 punch i'd take Lewis all day and Ruddock's left smash all day over anything Liston threw

 

Lest anyone think I'm always picking on Mike, I think there are great fighters he would have beaten in their primes (and not so primes). Ali post-Shavers (as much as it pains me to write that), Holmes around the time of the Carl Williams and Spinks losses, Lewis (look at who knocked him out when he was prime)...Marciano (let me guess, this won't go over well at all for some people but I don't see Rocky taking that kind of swarming), Dempsey. I just don't think he was as great a fighter as any of those men (well besides the obvious like Williams).

 

I respectfully agree to disagree. I don't think those guys were anywhere near as accurate as Liston, either.

But that's just me, no big deal.