Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk

You are speaking gibberish.I never said Use will destroy them (He would destroy Liston), I said that his oppentes are comparable, and these great fights were beaten and hurt by men of lesser weights.

All of this is objectively true, and you are rambling nonsense to deny it.

 

I don’t believe fighters in them days would be bigger now with nutrition, they may have been fitter with nutrition, but weight comes from how many calories you eat in comparison to how many you burn off, you eat more than you burn off, you gain weight, you eat less than you burn off, you lose weight, so he would be the same, because he would have ate the same as he burnt off in training which maintains, but they would be fitter and healthier these days

 

PEDs

Liston would probably look like Ike Ibeabuchi if he were around today, an absolute tank of a human. But thats just speculation

 

Yes, I forgot about most them likely using performance enhances and that, he’d probably be about 15-20lbs heavier with them, same as a lot of modern heavyweights, he’d be an average size heavyweight so I could see him having a lot of success, the majority are probably taking something these days, people have to take something to hang at the top level, it should be cut out really, but that’s up to the politics, not the fighters, they’re just giving themselves every advantage to win

 

Pointless reply, deliberately did not address a thing put to you yet again.

You’re a closed system. Usyk doesn’t destroy Liston but Sonny does destroy/ko the version of Joshua that Usyk decisioned.

Repeat, Usyk’s a fine boxer but Joshua was overrated and, by beating him, Usyk has in part inherited that overrating.

I bet you figured Joshua would destroy Ruiz the first time around also.

The proximity of Joshua’s two so called major “upset” losses should tell you something - and rotund little Ruiz got there first and more emphatically.

As to gibberish, besides your opinion, proof read and tidy up your posts - geeze.

 

He would've had access to "modern nutrition" as many like to call it which would've made him much bigger. His growth was also stunted as a child due to the lack of nutrition he received, his lack of sleep, etc which is why his dimensions don't match his height. A mere 6'1". He would've been much taller today, had he grown up in a better environment.

 

When the going gets tough, and he has no more answers, he just starts throwing out insults. Very immature individual.

 

Just as well I’m infinitely more mature…well, at least I try.

 

Because you aren't saying anything worth replying to, and not addressing anything I said.

Let's repeat: because Liston's best wins are guys under 200, and because Usyk has the best win of a big man with Joshua, their records are apples to apples, and Usyk's is superior.

Period.

You can believe Joshua is overrated...he is still light years above Cleveland Willams or Nino Valdez.

Nor has Usyk ever been so badly hurt by a man under 200 in a professional boxing contest.

That is all. Nothing you are going to say is going to change any of that.

Liston's best:

Patterson-194
Patterson-189
Foley-198
Williams-215
Willlams-210
Machon- 196
Valdez-211

Usyk's best:
Joshua-240
Breidis-199
Hunter-198
Gassiev-198
Glowacki-199
Bellew-199
Huck-198

There isn't any great difference here.

 

Ho-hum.

Citing Liston’s age, his being well beyond prime and in physical disrepair vs Martin (one of your ridiculous X marks against Sonny) isn’t worth replying to or addressing. Of course not, why am I not surprised.

Pointing out that a randomly broken jaw DOES NOT have the broad, negative connotation you tried to place on it - and correcting your false and self serving assertion that Louis’ jaw was also broken. Nah, never let facts get in the way of a fan’s blind worship and unevenly applied rationale.

Ignore Joshua’s prior obliteration by Ruiz and his painfully timid approach against an even fatter version of so much shorter and lesser reached Andy in the rematch - the value of being the bigger man really screamed, didn’t it? Anthony had a crystal to protect after all and even then, Ruiz still reached him and wobbled him on several occasions. Wow.

So who’d you have (and how) when Joshua faced Ruiz in the first fight? I know, irrelevant lest you reveal your possibly (likely?) errant forecast for that fight - given your over inflated opinion of Joshua - you likely had him a prohibitive favourite, right?

I don’t just believe Joshua to be overrated, he WAS overrated - you should understand that instead of mindlessly passing that overrating onto Usyk. How many more “upsets” for Joshua before they actually constitute the “norm”?

Liston was a far better boxer ((Sonny was an excellent boxer in fact) than Joshua and Liston beat quality BIG men - as you’ve already been told but flatly ignore.

As to having some measure of difficulties with smaller, mobile guys - go figure - that’s actually a commonplace and somewhat natural by-product.

Sizing SAID fighters up doesn’t necessarily magnify those difficulties or the perceived quality of those fighters, it can often negate same - slower, bigger targets to gun for - which is actually how it played out for Usyk vs the chinny Joshua who curtailed his offence in deference to an already proven, brittle mandible.

If it’s all not worth replying to - then don’t, period. No skin as I’ve said before.

 

Nothing. Not addressing the simple, obvious truth of what I have said.

I can explain it do you, I can put up the actual numbers...I can't understand it for you.

 

Nah, you can’t understand anything nor explain yourself anyway, period.

No need to keep reaffirming it. Best not to reply, cut your losses.

You’ve unashamedly moved off and avoided every solid refutation - all over the place, just like a Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

Big Daddy wins!!!

 

It is you who do not understand, and something very simple at that.

 

Gee, are you still there? No other threads to post “nothing” to, hey? At least get the lights when you’re finished. LOL.

 

Don't be stupid:

Patterson-194
Patterson-189
Foley-198
Williams-215
Willlams-210
Machon- 196
Valdez-211

Usyk's best:
Joshua-240
Breidis-199
Hunter-198
Gassiev-198
Glowacki-199
Bellew-199
Huck-198