Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk

No, you’re stupid. That’s hardly overwhelming stuff relatively, the comp. isn’t superior - notably topped by “upset” me again, “a short fat man kicked my a**” Joshua - that says it all. Geez man, show some smarts.

You’re bringing nothing to the table except fanboyism.

And you’ve left a few others out for Sonny, including 6’3” 220 lb Henry Clark, an impressive win in Liston’s old age and decline.

Good to see you’re still cherry picking to support your ridiculous bias.

Again, after you’ve finished kneeling and praying at your Shrine for Usyk (in silence, please) get the lights will ya Dummy?

 

Henry Clarke is not comparable to Anthony Joshua. Neither are Williams or Valdez. I get it...you don't like Joshua. That doesn't matter.

We will say it again, this whole thing started because that other idiot said that he doesn't rate Usyk for having three wins at heavy. I pointed out that Usyk's wins are comparable to Liston's...and they are. We can keep this going as long as you want, because I am right, and objectively so.

 

Dude you sound like a brainwashed fanboy.

Just cut your losses and stop replying. You’re embarrassing yourself

 

No, idiot.

Patterson-194
Patterson-189
Foley-198
Williams-215
Willlams-210
Machon- 196
Valdez-211

Usyk's best:
Joshua-240
Breidis-199
Hunter-198
Gassiev-198
Glowacki-199
Bellew-199
Huck-198

Apples to apples...you are an idiot.

 

No, you don’t get it.

I actually like Joshua.

I’m simply not afflicted with Fanboyism - and fanboys are the ones who usually deduce that a less than positive opinion (albeit objective) about their objects of desire must involve emotional investment very much like the disproportional feelings they themselves hold - not so fanboy.

Who’s “We” btw or is that the Royal “We” you’re invoking? Wow. We are not amused! Take him to the gallows.

Moving on…..

Only an idiot would call up 40 yo, addiction ravaged Liston being KO’d after having more than 2X the fights Usyk has had and being 6 yo older than Usyk was as at his last fight WHILE singing the praises of Joshua BUT ignoring 29 yo Joshua being obliterated prior to facing Usyk, with the resulting Joshua clearly fighting even more compromised in protection of a weak chin.

Only an idiot would wax on about broken jaws meaning anything and then INVENT Louis’ jaw having been broken. Only an idiot, when corrected, would then back off stating it makes no difference if Louis’ jaw was broken or not. So the idiot acknowledged that his own point didn’t mean sh*t. LOL.

Only an idiot, pretending to objectively accent on size, would list Valdez and Williams among Liston’s opponents WHILE deliberately omitting the comparably sized Clark whose record was very respectable when Old Man Sonny cleaned his clock.

All this, objectively, makes you the one and only idiot here.

You must be in state of absolute bliss because you’re displaying absolute ignorance in this discussion.

Let alone vs Ruiz, the Joshua that fought Usyk was, by no means, well above the comp. Liston faced - Liston would outbox and KO that Joshua, no drams.

And, Genius Boy, if you’re not an idiot you would tell me who you picked and by what means when Joshua first fought Ruiz.

I’m sure your analytical skills and disproportional regard for Joshua nailed that outcome - yes/no? Your silence on that repeated question is deafening. LOL.

You also seemed to be fixated on this one thread far more than any others. Yikes!

 

You are the one that keeps defying the numbers. I am just answering the stupidity:

Patterson-194
Patterson-189
Foley-198
Williams-215
Willlams-210
Machon- 196
Valdez-211

Usyk's best:
Joshua-240
Breidis-199
Hunter-198
Gassiev-198
Glowacki-199
Bellew-199
Huck-198

Apples to apples. Usyk is the better man.

 

Oh gee, the old “Ashes to ashes…” trip again.

You should cut and paste yourself a brain instead. They’re very useful.

STILL side stepping all opposing posits and refutes. And STILL can’t answer a simple question put to you. Instead, just mindlessly repeating yourself. Embarrassing.

Something is broken in your head man.

Even if you tripped over a cart full or apples you still wouldn’t know the difference between them and oranges. But you do know how to produce perfect Lemons.

A quick calc, and I might be wrong, reveals:-

It took Liston a total of 25 rounds (average: 3.6 rounds per fight) to prevail over that comp. YOU “nominated”. Total opposition weight - 1413 lbs.

It took Usyk a total of 78 rounds (average: 11.14 rounds per fight) to defeat his comp. Total opposition weight - 1431 lbs.

As per YOUR “nominations” that’s an 18 lb pull in Usyk’s favour - that gets swallowed up by the combined weight of the timidity and fragile mandible Joshua takes into the ring - and that “weighting” is “at the least” and being very kind.

Wow, that means Sonny is more than 3 X better than Usyk.

Might take a leaf out of Swag’s book and ignore you. Waste of space……

 

Dude, boxing isn't about how quickly you defeat your opponents. That is bar-fighting.

Idiot.

Apples to apples, idiot:

Patterson-194
Patterson-189
Foley-198
Williams-215
Willlams-210
Machon- 196
Valdez-211

Usyk's best:
Joshua-240
Breidis-199
Hunter-198
Gassiev-198
Glowacki-199
Bellew-199
Huck-198

 

Another moronic post from a moron. First it was: broken jaws are a big deal. Then, upon being proven absolutely wrong in terms of both concept and fact, he says: they make no difference. Now, upon being proven wrong YET again, he says it doesn't matter if you more easily defeat your opposition - contradicting himself and defying the "oh, so important" numbers that don't suit him. LOL. What a cherry picking fool. And he still can't answer numerous prior refutes and ONE simple question. Falling exponentially behind with his each and every fanboy post. Wow, you are more than dumb!

 

2 inches taller at the very best. Nutritional affect on grown is overblown. It's almost all genetics

 

It is a big deal, stupid. And we aren't talking about that. Put it out of your pea brain. What we are talking about its that Usyk's fights are comparable to Liston's...because they objectively are.

Idiot.

 

I'd have to see more of Usyk against top heavyweight competition. Joshua isn't Liston...nowhere near that level of ATG.

 

No moron, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You try to talk a new angle upon each previous one being squashed.

STILL can’t answer a simple question lest it impugns him. The omission speaks for itself.

WTF does “Usyk’s fights are comparable to Liston’s” even mean? LOL, you don’t even know.

I highlighted Liston prevailing over the opp. you nominated in LESS than 1/3 of the time it took Usyk to defeat his.

That solicited a reply from you that more or less labelled Liston a bar room fighter, adding that boxing isn’t about how easily you beat your opposition. Wow. The Cat keeps dancing.

You tried to play the rec ranger’s numbers game. I played along - you got screwed.

You’re like a kid who reefs back his cricket and ball because he couldn’t win the game that he himself set the rules for. The numbers don’t lie, eh? Apparently they do lie IF they don’t suit you. How embarrassing for you. Haha.

You can’t even maintain and coherently defend a single point of argument when they are met, head to head and soundly refuted. . Stomped at every turn - as such, you then turn back into your own flawed positions, literally discredit them and contradict yourself over and over, as I’ve ALREADY well illustrated.

Imbecile.

You’re all over the place like a mad woman’s “you know what”. Nasty stuff.

Brush up on your knowledge, expression and debating skills.

You said you’ve written novels, right?

Those little booklets we ALL did in primary school, written in crayon, containing more stick figure illustrations than words don’t count - you know that, right?

Begone, cretin fanboy. Busy yourself and begin work on your next “novel”. Haha.

 

I don't have to, stupid. I have presented facts that any buffoon can understand...well, except you.

There isn't a debate here.

 

Totally agree.

Would like to see more of Usyk. And that’s not framing him for a fall - would like to see him thrive and performance even better than he has thus far - if he actually showed himself to be better than Liston - that wouldn’t bother me at all - but the proof is always in the pudding and certainly not anchored in heady projections based on insufficient evidence to date.