Sonny Liston vs Riddick Bowe primes

Holyfield stood right in front of Bowe? Maybe if you don't notice subtle footwork because its there for a trained eye to see.
Plus Liston doesn't spring attack like Evander nor has he similar upperbdy movement / rolling / parrying / countering.

You also have to ponder where the best position for Holyfield was , in close or outside on the end of Bowe's longshots.
In the rematch he fought more form the mid range but still brought it in close.
In all 3 fight he knew getting in close was the path to victory.
So you can't knock him be being in close and trading with Bowe , he simply didn't have any choice.

Liston was slower in hand and foot compared to Holy and he wasn't as dynamic with full body movement. I see Bowe blasting him clean out before he even gets inside because he wasn't hard to land on

 

I think Bowe would have a great deal of difficulty with Liston's jab his reach was 84 inches and he had an ATG jab.

Bowe was also very hittable and lacked a good defense which makes me ponder how he would've fared getting hit consistently by a big puncher.

Hide was probably the biggest puncher Bowe fought but he didn't have the physicality.

 

How does Liston fight Bowe Seamus? I never saw him fight inside, in a memorable capacity and it will wind up there… - I did however always see him lumbering his way in against little guys, I know you boxed a bit and you’ve watched the fights more then me, I’d like to hear your opinion.

 

You’re asking me to prove a negative, it’s like saying all fighters who don’t throw uppercuts must have great ones because I can’t show you otherwise, if it’s easy enough to show me Liston fighting inside you’d just do it and we can learn together.

 

I guess you have never seen the first Williams fight when Sonny closed the distance beginning in the second round and started chopping down Williams to the body, then to the head both inside and at middle distance.

It really catches in my craw the praise Bowe receives for his supposed inside fighting abilities. Firstly, there is no requirement to win your fight by fighting inside. I don't see that anywhere in the criteria for scoring a bout. Secondly, Bowe was a 6-5, 82" cat giving up his physical advantages to fight on even turf with his more truncated opponents. Tall fighters should fight tall. At least that is the way I was taught. And lastly, for all the nice tight hooks he threw inside Bowe got plastered with return fire. Did you ever wonder why he was thick-tongued and shot by 28?

Liston KO10.

 

I wouldn’t call that fight a good demonstration to say he’d hang with Bowe inside at all… especially considering it was against Cleveland Williams lol - there is a requirement for Liston in my eyes to understand how to fight inside with Riddick SL was always lumbering forward, pushing his jab, Bowe would meet him there - then what happens? It will go there, Sonny I doubt plays keep away. - I do agree Bowe’s defence wasn’t good, not even inside and he took a lot of damage, didn’t see him KO’d? Whatever doubts you might have I think he was very durable, he hung tough - if anyone is in question Listons chin was pretty untested? Williams for a round or so? SL thought he was gonna get slept (In his opinion) and… Martin? - Yes tall fighters should fight tall but they should also know how to fight inside, everyone can. I make no illusions on how good Bowe was but when you’re taking a guy whose best wins are (tiny and chinny) Patterson, (chinny) Folley and (injured) Machen? Eh, shallow as Bowe’s resume was, Bowe fought legit sized guys who were decent enough, better than that lot IMO H2H I reckon Bowe just overpowers Liston here, too slow, too basic.

 

Imagine criticizing the resume of a guy who cleared out the division, and praising the resume of a guy who fought 2 or so top heavyweights (no I don't consider a shot Tubbs..... who he failed to KO or arguably even beat), and threw his belt in the trash to avoid the best guy around.

 

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear pal.

 

Bowe might be bigger but his not stronger than Liston yall are delusional. Sonny liston jabs are extremely dangerous for anyone even George foreman who is stronger than Bowe physically said Sonny pushed him off several times.

 

That makes no sense Liston and Evander are not even the same type of fighters. Show me a fight where Bowe fought a heavy puncher like Liston? That man had a poor defense there is no way you can trade blows with a man like Liston his jabs would dismantle him and his combinations.

 

Outboxed and battered, Bowe is losing. He doesn't like fighting guys with heavy punches, and he sure as hell doesn't like fighting guys who'd stick their jab in his face and keep it there! Not to mention his absolutely terrible defense. Holyfield, Golota, Hide, even BIGGS landed solid leather on him.

If Bowe can't bully his opponent, he is likely to lose- Another for Liston.

 

Ok,now for some education.Liston landed plenty of body blows to Ali ( before that 5th round ),also
landed a few on Floyd Patterson.
Ok,we're not talking about a Joe Frazier standard of in-fighting here,but Liston wasn't clueless when
fighting on the inside.

 

@Pat M would you also like to be educated on why Liston was a capable inside fighter?

 

Okay counter point… who tf did Liston beat and outbox or batter? 190lbers??? Oh besides the great Cleveland Williams of course, you’ve got Eddie Machen, Zora Folley and Floyd Patterson… two guys are chinny, one was injured and all three are “decent” Patterson was just too small to call much of a win, Bowe would savage him as well no matter how “great” FP was as a H2H fighter he wasn’t that good overall.