Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

Liston by KO in a first round.

Rocky is taylormade for him.

 

Thats what i thought of immediately....I just dont think Liston had the mental toughness to go along with the stare and physical parts he portrayed...If Rocky got him into the middle to later rounds he would eventually make Sonny look for a way out.

 

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I can see why you would be rooting for him Mac.:good

 

Liston KO

in one of the most memorable heavyweight fights of all time

 

Well, if the fight isn't fixed then I'd say Liston by violent stoppage around RD 7 or so...:think.

Too many advantages for Liston and no way for Marciano to consistently get inside that ridiculous jab to land anything clean...

 

:roll::roll:

 

Valid points but how do you see Marciano slipping Liston's jab and geting close enough to land anything. Reach is often overrated but , in this case, I think it should be mentioned. '62 Liston absolutely embarrasses Marciano.

 

Marciano held title, defended it successfully, Liston lost it right away. Marciano never quit, Liston did. Marciano never got stopped, Liston was ko'd. Maqry Marshall broke Liston's jaw in a win over Sonny, knocke dhim down in a losing rmatch. Marshal was smaller than Marciano, so thst throws out size issue. Marciano was better, and hit harder. Liston was alot of hype.

 

As usual this one comes down to the size thing again - what weight are we taking Listin at?? I'm assuming somewhere in the region of 218ish (as for Clay I) or maybe smaller for arguably his more impressive early career period (206-212) ?? tHE WEIGHT PER SA WOULD BE NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER (AT ALL!!) MARCIANO COMPLETELY OVERPOWERED 212 JOE LOUIS PHYSICALLY - ITS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE.

AND THE REACH THING - AS SOMEONE ELSE AS ALREADY MENTIONED REACH IS OVER RATED - watch most of Liston's fights and tell me how often he looked to dominate people with his reach or keep people at range??? That was just not the way he fought!! Liston looked to walk you down, club you around in close and get fast pile driving killer punches off - reach would be a larger mute point in this fight.

I think this would be a tough tough fight - Liston was a beast after all - but I think styles make fights when you watch Marciano's fights he didn't get tagged a great deal and his punch rate was always far higher than his opponents - I think Liston would get discouraged at not being able to avoid Marciano's hammering fists aswell as getting a little frustrated at not being able to be as effective as he might of thought going in - Marciano digging his heals in and hanging tough against the big shots from the bear and breaking Liston's spirit a little en route to a late stoppage when Liston's stamina wilts.

 

Don't roll your eyes.

It would be just like Patterson fights. What could Rocky do that Floyd couldn't?

 

Liston was avoided for years, Marciano wasn't. Liston lost his title arguably past his best. God only knows his true age. And he lost it to the Greatest HW Champion in History, Clay/Ali. What Marciano did better than Liston, and really just about everybody, was that he stayed focused, stayed motivated, and came to every fight in top shape to win no matter who his opponent was. He could be fighting a guy that was a club-fighter, and he would be in the best shape he could be in because he had to...he had to in order to win. That's something I like very much.

Liston on the other hand, his life-style...:-(

Marciano never faced who Liston faced. If Liston was able to face off against Marciano's opponents, Liston would beat them as well (in my opinion). I think some other fighters throughout history could also beat who Marciano faced. Now of course, those fighters would also, if we were putting it in the same context, have to show up in top shape like Marciano did. History has shown even if you are more talented than the other fighter, if you are not in top shape, both mentally and physically, you can lose. Again, something I really like about Marciano.
Charles would be the toughest fight for Liston.

Marciano retired before he went on the decline. Liston kept going. Fighters tend to lose as they decline, especially when headed deep south. Another good point for Marciano; he knew when to get out.



Marciano was floored by LH Archie Moore and Walcott.


Marciano hit harder? very debatable given who he was hitting.
How about looking at his opponents as well.

For example: I saw former LH, Don Cockell, now obese, take shot after shot, even shots to the back of his head, yet where was the famous "Suzie-Q"?

Marciano had power, no question, but let's have a better debate on how much harder Marciano hit than Liston. Who yes, I also believe was stronger than Marciano and hit harder than Marciano. Of course that is my opinion just like your opinion of Marciano. Personally, I would not want to get hit by either man.

Quitting: Even fighters that you would have never thought would quit can end up "quitting" at a certain point in their career because their mind-set has changed. I didn't see any quit in him when he was "right."

 

Louis's best weight was 207 tops. On top of that, Louis was WAY Past his Prime. And, I don't think he "over-powered" him considering all that. Louis was bound to get worn down and tire and that's when you can take over. Louis's stamina was not the same anymore. Old Men tend to have shorter storage in stamina...and Louis did.


Marciano had trouble with a Way Past Prime Louis's Jab.
Liston's Jab compared to that version of Louis was better: Sharper, Stronger, and more Powerful.
Not to mention it would be a healthy fighter in there in Sonny Liston.


If you are going to Slip Liston's jab and get in to attack, I think you need some attributes to go your way...like Speed for example. Marciano was slow on his feet, slow in throwing, and he had a small reach as well. That doesn't favor someone to be able to slip Liston's jab, and continue an attack to keep Liston, who isn't fast himself, from really getting at you.

Now with Marciano, despite all that, his high pressure style, low crouch, and his bravery to risk it all, can actually work to some extent. If he can get in close enough and keep firing it would be very interesting. Like I said, Liston isn't fast either, so it would be interesting in a close area fight if Marciano can get in past Liston's jab.

But hell, I'm just a poster...like you.

Good talk.

 

Prime-4-prime, Liston is a nightmare for Marciano................ Liston of 1960 has his act and conditioning together and puts a serious ass-whippin' on the smaller and weaker 1952 version of Marciano in a time machine.........

I know the 'Marciano' nut-grabbers will surface, but I don't care........ Marciano at his best is not good enough to beat the best Liston had to offer........

MR.BILL:bbb:yikes

 

blood and snot everywhere............none of it listons.
liston has a 17" reach advantage and would use it well.his left jab, which must have felt like you'd walked into a speeding train would rip rocky's face to shreds.
KO in 4