Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

Actually you are moron who could not reply when facts are bring here and there insult with things like moron,douchebag...
Only moron I see here is you!
I do not know nothing about boxing?I shut you every time you say something!Like you claimed Bruno was something but I prove you wrong with facts and thing called boxing record but you could not handle that and instead of reply you insult like every other moron!
I know you are Marciano hater but my writing is ok as long as I put you down with my facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education!
You are just one type moron who only can pull insults when he face someone with knowledge!

 

He quit once and that is enough to prove how his heart is bad!
He would quit also against Machen if Eddie put better fight there!
Liston gt deducted by 3 points for low blows!

 

Ancient Valdes or bum LHW Marshall?
He almost quit against Machen!

 

Marciano at that age beat Moore and Liston lost next time by Ko!
Shoulder injury was excuse when he got to doctor doctor discovered his shoulder and find that there is not anything wrong with it!
Liston pull that as excuse but next time what was his excuse?
The first Liston-Clay fight in 1964 is controversial, because Liston quitted at the end of the sixth round claiming a left shoulder injury. Here we, based on the visual analysis of Liston's arms movements during the sixth round, demonstrate that a left shoulder injury cannot be the cause of the boxer failing to answer the bell for the seventh round.
He was getting outboxed badly and pull that as excuse!
He was not 40 he was born in 1932 even he claimed that!That makes him 32 years old for Ali bouts and what he did at that age?He lost!Marciano at that age beat everyone and retired undefeated!
Zora Folley?Man was ex LHW!Young Jack Johnson,Ali,Foster and Doug Jones also lhw beat Folley easier than Liston did!!
Cleveland Williams was glass jaw and very overrated!He was ok puncher but which elite fighter or contender he knocked?
He was hard hitter but never hit what he must hit and threw haymaker!
He was poor man Max Baer with glass jaw!Was not Williams knocked in 3 rounds by ancient LHW Bob Satterfield even before Liston bout?

 

you are right about this. Williams did handle the lightly regarded Anonzo, who beat the declining Valdes. But you don’t add that this was 3 years and 5 defeats after the Valdes fight!

Don’t you think it’s quite disturbing that Valdes was probably only beaten by Alonzo Johnson because Nino suffered such a walloping from the American football player?

Nino was losing fights he lost two of his recent fights. 185lb Alonzo and the American football player who decked him 3 tines. A boxers career is usually over once an American football player can beat him.

isn't it usual for a rematch clause enforced fight that the champion is facing someone who lost his last fight?

This is different to a contender beating up a declining fighter who lost his last fight to a 25lb lighter foe. Even One whom 3 years and 5 losses later would get knocked out by Cleveland Williams? I don’t see how this is a selling point?

Against Liston, Nino was a spent force. And He lost his last fight.

 

Ali never came off the floor* to win a title fight. If only he was more proven.

* Don't even begin to throw Wepner forward.

 

Marciano a lot better and stronger than Frazier?Reallly?There is a case for debating who is the better fighter but a lot better?I dont think so

 

How about Shavers? It wasn’t ruled a knockdown but some might have classed it as one?

some scored Ali winning the first Frazier fight.. I didn’t.

Ali got off the floor against cooper one fight before winning the title.

Bottom line Ali was proven.

 

Getting up from a flash KD against a guy who's 15 years older than him is a bit different than finishing the fight, and winning with a broken jaw.

 

Well, it would appear you've answered your own question.

Who? Who actually scored it for Ali, and do they know what they're talking about? I doubt it.

Ali never won the FOTC.

Why does this count but Liston's broken jaw doesn't?

Bottom line Liston was proven.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about. Tell me more.

Desperate much?

Well you mentioned "title fight" yes or no? So one doesn't have to come off the floor in a title fight to be proven?

Not by your standards above. Maybe you were just making it up as you went along to denigrate Liston. Who would have thought.

 

Cooper was a much higher regarded fighter when he knocked Ali down than Marshall ever was. Henry Cooper fought in football stadiums and beat rated heavyweight contenders.

 

I wasn’t making anything up. Liston didn’t come from behind to win a title fight or an important fight for that matter. Ali, Liston and others didn’t win a title fight after getting off the floor. This is true.

I fully accept that All champions are proven. This includes Sonny. But among champions there ARE more proven champions. Ones who dig deeper to win a fight than Sonny Liston was able to at the higher stakes.

 

Yeah, and?

 

Lewis, Holyfield, Spinks, and Holmes.

Valdez (especially the version Liston fought) and DeJohn would have been nothing more than a spot on the seat of Mike Tyson's opponent's trunks. It's laughable to say the least that Liston's consistency and quality of punchers even compares to Tyson's: Bruno, Lewis, Stewart, Ruddock, Seldon, Smith, and Tucker.

It's pretty easy to deduce. Especially since he threw the second fight...

Go watch the footage of the 6th round because apparently you haven't. Liston had no problems whatsoever keeping his hands up and even managed to fire off a couple of right hands. The onus is on you to prove that he wasn't able to keep his hands up in the 6th round.