Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

DISHONESTY!

 

Floyd definitely has a chance against Rocky but I don't think his chin would hold up in the long run.

 

So the phenomenon of a boxer fighting in a city other than his hometown is new to you?

When Williams travelled to Philadelphia back in 52 to fight on the undercard of Marciano-Walcott, did that "build up interest" in a showdown with Marciano?

 

I imagine that it gave him exposure to the bigger stage. Williams was certainly fortunate to get on two big shows like that wasn’t he?

 

It would be a pit bull against a bear. No matter how brave and determined the pitbull, it's a suicidal approach to go balls to the wall and slug against a larger, more powerful opponent whose equally ferocious. I have been waiting over a decade for someone to explain how Rocky wins with that sort of style being the smaller man. I can't think of any instances of that happening in boxing.

 

you are going to quibble about the level of these examples..but you just ain’t getting two exact replicas of Marciano or Liston since both were unique. And whilst it is insulting to compare these guys to a great fighter like Sonny, you asked for style rather than level. So please allow me to apologise in advance.

joe Frazier vs Buster Mathis. Buster is more defensive than Sonny would be, but he attempted to come forward in part of the rounds.

Lammon Brewster vs Wlad Klitchsko. 1st meeting. The size difference is similar. Of course both are bigger than Sonny and Rocky. However Wlad tries to push Brewster back.


Joe Frazier v Ramos, the weight difference is different and the styles consist of an inferior big guy, but a big guy coming to fight.

Tyson vs Bruno. Again, the weight people will quibble. And yes I know Tyson has the hand speed edge.

Marciano vs Louis. People will say it’s the Old Louis, but old Louis represents the same kind of size difference. Sonny is better than old Louis but by how much? 30%. Does 30% extra win that fight for Louis/sonny? old Louis, while no so longer explosive is still a decent level contender.

 

OMFG! LOL

 

You just compared...

Buster Mathis: an obese feather fisted outside fighter, and

Wladmir Klitschko: a cautious, glass jawed jab-and-grab technician (who did hit hard I'll give you that much)

To Sonny Liston.

Liston.

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Brewster was worse than both Marciano and Liston. Wladmir losing to a guy like that shows how fragile he was. Brewster basically blocked with his face and ran him over.

He still fought on the backfoot and didn't really resemble Liston. Sometimes young Wladmir would let his hands go and could be aggressive, but he wasn't a dominant come forward freight train like Liston.

 

You asked for examples of how Rocky wins with that style as the smaller man. My examples are smaller men with “that style”.


I even demonstrated profusely that it isn’t possible to get exact replicas. So I gave you what you asked for. Smaller men with that style.

I was not providing Sonny Liston type guys…who else is a SonnyListon type guy? Hasim Rahman?

Shall I mention smaller guys that beat Rahman?

 

Absolutely.

 

I would doubt that tbh

 

I asked for an example of a smaller man using an aggressive come forward style beating an equally aggressive larger man whose also using a come forward style. It was a pretty simple request spelled out in plain English. You didn't give me what I asked for. It's like asking for a burger and you give me a burrito. Wladmir and especially Mathis didn't remotely resemble Liston. I don't remember Liston getting on his toes and circling around his opponent or fighting on the back foot with a cautious game plan.

 

I didn't say he was bad. Just playing tit for tat.

So we agree he can't really be used as a comparison to Liston.

Liston never collapsed from exhaustion, not even as an old man so again, poor comparison. He actually had good stamina for a slugger.