Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

The NBA was a conglomeration of state sanctioning bodies and international sanctioning bodies. So while you are saying "what deptartment of government conferred that status on them?" as if such a thing didnt happen, it in fact DID happen. The vast majority of states in the USA conferred that status on them as well as most of the major international sanctioning bodies abroad.

 

What was Lastarza doing when he got his title shot? A split dec win over the only ranked man he fought between Marciano fights!

 

from the 1920s the NBA gained international support as an official governing body working with athletic commissions.

By late 1948, New York and Massachusetts were the only states where boxing was conducted which were not members of the NBA. New York had its own highly-influential New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC).)

• 1948-11-26: NBA indefinitely suspends Rocky Graziano in all parts of the world under NBA supervision, announces President Abe Green, following similar action by the California State Athletic Commission. This was due to Graziano's "running out" on a scheduled Dec. 1 bout with Fred Apostoli. The suspension covered most American states, Great Britain, the European Boxing Federation, Cuba, Mexico, and Canada.

 

Thats not entirely true. The NBA was an association of state and international boxing commissions. Those commissions were governmental organizations. Thats why the current situation with the out of control sanctioning bodies makes no sense to me. If state organizations simply refused to acknowledge their legitimacy, now that they are no longer government affiliated, and refused to let them do business in their state (or country) they would lose all power and legitimacy.

 

That's a good point. I hope they do so.

However, even if they did, I don't think that would invalidate our existing heavyweight lineage, despite its irregularities. The lineage taken as a whole unit looks like something made by custom rather than government imprimatur.

PS: Please bribe the government with your Greb films to ban the sanctioning bodies.

 

I've never claimed to be an expert.
You have your opinion of me and I know you are aware of my opinion of you so let's leave that there.

 

Let’s stick with Nino for now. After four consecutive losses to Moore, Johnson Mcbride and Gilliam he beats Charles out of the blue. Now Charles already has wins over Layne and Harrison since losing the title and is willing to rematch Valdes. Charles beats Gilliam and has already thrice beaten Archie Moore years earlier.

Rather than rematch Charles Nino then fights once in Cuba and twice in Europe before disappointing fans in New York against James J Parker. An awful fight.

But while this was going on Charles, like Valdes, dropped a decision to Johnson then impressed against Satterfield and Wallace scoring exciting kayos to stay ahead of Nino in the official ratings.

Marciano is ordered to meet Charles the official logical contender.

Then after Marciano beats Charles, Valdes beats Tommy Jackson in 1954 to become official logical challenger to Marciano. The time he goes ahead of Charles.

 

Brilliant response

 

No please, lets continue. I want to hear more about how Valdes was the number one contender from the time he beat Charles until the time he lost to Moore.

 

Thats just it though. It wouldnt invalidate the current lineage but would stop all of the bull**** around selling rankings, splintering titles, etc. The states could easily say "Sorry, we arent doing business with the WBC. We recognize one champion. Period." Refuse to allow the WBC (or whoever) to do business in that state or collect sanctioning fees. And then bodies dry up. Itd be a hard reset which is exactly what the sport needs. The sanctioning bodies only exist now for one reason: Sanctioning fees. Its a big scam. They sell titles and rankings for money and provide "title fights" to promoters for money. Take away their revenue stream and they cease to exist. That revenue stream comes directly from places like Nevada and California allowing them to operate in the state. Its actually exactly the opposite of what the NBA was started for to begin with. Since sanctioning bodies have perverted the process and turned it inside out the states should simply ban them and start over.

 

I agree with all of this.

 

I believe this is correct. Valdes is a light breeze in a teacup from what I've come across over the years.

 

Yes. Valdes was a Light breeze in a teacup.