Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

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Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

  1. Marciano KO

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  2. Marciano Points

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  3. Liston KO

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  4. Liston Points

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  5. Draw

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  1. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Brilliant post.
     
  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Who did he quit against ?
    Apart from those fixed fights with Ali, show me another fight where he quits.
    You morons take one fight as the definition of a boxer.
     
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  3. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    About avoiding jabs Rocky avoided them very easy and countered always with left hook or right overhand
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    Louis was not shot,if he is show how he managed to win 9 last fight and 4 of them by ko?And how fight was competitive because Louis won only one round according to judges and bullied Louis?I only remember Louis was knocked few times and always punched very hard!
    Cockell moved rapidly up the heavyweight rankings by scoring three wins against American fighters. First he beat Roland La Starza on points at Earls Court Arena, then he had successive victories over Harry (Kid) Matthews, first at the White City Stadium and then at Sicks' Stadium, Seattle.
    Cockell is class above Besmanoff and Scrap Johnson!
    Cockel was 37 years old?I know you are hater but Cockell was younger than Rocky even knowing that Rocky called him kid!Cockel was born 22 September 1928 and was 26 years old for fight!
    That was Rocky last night and worst performance but guess what he beat Cockell badly!What Liston did in his last performance?Could not knock bleeder called Chuck Wepner whom green Foreman,Buster Mathis and Bugner knocked in 3 rounds!And also in previous bout lost badly by KO against Leotis!
    Real objective?Marshall was LHW not even close to Moore and Charles and beat Liston!
    Remind me where Liston was at that point in his career?He was good fihgter when Marshall beat him in his start and Leotis beat him when he was in the middle!But guess what even in the star or the end no one beaten Rocky!
    Certainly debatable. I think Patterson was more skilled?Patterson was only advantage was speed!It was not debatable because Rocky is better than Machen and is better than glass jaw scared ex middleweight Patterson!
    Rocky did not have the edge in "power punch" and certainly did not have a better chin?
    Let me see Ezzard Charles and Keene Simmons both spared Liston and fought Marciano and claimed Marciano hit allot harder and guess what on punching machine Marciano had higher output than Liston!Also Rocky had bigger KO ratio with more devastating KOs!So three things proved tha Marciano had bigger powerpunch:his opponents,machine and KO ratio!
    Liston had better chin than Marciano?What joke you did wrote?
    Marciano was never knocked out,never stopped and was only floored once!
    Liston was knocked by Marshall,Ali,Martin,stopped against Ali and was knocked by LHW sparing partners like Ray Patterson(Floyd brother),Leotis and was knocked by Mac Foster!
    So how Liston did have better chin?He was knocked more times in fights and sparings!
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Not even reading any of this gibberish. You type like an overexcited third grader fawning over his hero. Learn to form a coherent paragraph and if you're lucky you'll get a response from me.
     
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  5. SerbianLoudmouth

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    Sonny Liston against Besmanoff
    Win 26–1
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    Willi Besmanoff RTD 6 (10), 3:00
    Ancient Archie against Besmanoff
    Win 176–21–8
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    Willi Besmanoff TKO 10 (15)
    Who tought that ancient Moore lost against Besmanoff when he was knocked and Besmanoff claimed Moore was his toughest opponent and better fighter than Liston even at old age!
    And about King what about Liston getting knocked in 1st round by Ali and 50 years old Moore went 4 rounds?
     
  6. SerbianLoudmouth

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    This gibberish is called facts which you did not said!
    Like you claimed that Bruno is very hard puncher and very good fighter and I put you down only with facts!
    Those gibberish we called boxing record and truth!
    You are like overexcited hater who insult when he got put down with facts!
    If you are lucky you would learn what is thing called facts and boxing record!
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I was reffering to their first fight in '57 when Moore squeezed out an SD. Not suprised you weren't aware they fought twice.

    Besmanoff gave Moore all he could handle and even arguably beat him, while he was decimated by Liston. It was in his best interest to talk up Moore. Not uncommon at all.
    :lol: Love how you ignore their first fight, where Liston had seen 3 rounds in 3 years, was up their in years himself and still gave a near Peak Ali a better fight that Archie could muster against a green Clay, being dead even on the cards when the fight was stopped.
     
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  8. choklab

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    I wouldn’t be so sure that this is the most popular view.

    Walcott Charles and Moore beat better fighters than Patterson ever did. They certainly rank higher than Floyd in ATG lists in far too many lists for you to be able to say “Moore Walcott and Charles weren’t better than Floyd Patterson”
     
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  9. SerbianLoudmouth

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    He quit against Ali faked with shoulder injury!
    First fight was clearly not fixed even knowing you as his fan wanna to explain us that fight was fixed but it was not!
    He was so frustrated that he quit and if Machen fought a little better he would quit too!
    You are bigger moron than me because one fight show us how coward someone is!
    Duran was quitter because he was getting outclassed and Liston was too because Ali beat him and make him looking like a fool!
    Definition of a boxer is a fighter with heart!
    Gatti,Frazier,Marciano...even when the got beaten they never quit and that is deffinition of good fighter and Liston quit which made him a quitter right!Real boxer never quit even shot Williams did not quit!
     
  10. Reinhardt

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    This is how the fight would go,,but I doubt Marciano makes it to the 4th round. 2nd , 3rd at most. Marciano is tailor made for fighters like Liston or Foreman.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    Ingo would beat all 3 of the versions that fought Marciano. And I'm actually pretty certain he'd beat everyone they did at HW too, Prime Charles has the best shot.

    And who gives a **** who they beat? Patterson would beat them, and he already has beaten one of them.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/are-charles-and-walcott-better-than-patterson.598525/

    A young and green Patterson beat Moore better than Marciano did, and he didn't have to get off the canvas to do so.
     
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  13. choklab

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    Rex Layne. And he beat two world champions.

    how many guys did Liston beat who beat 2 heavyweight world champions?
     
  14. SerbianLoudmouth

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    In 1957 ancient Moore beat Besmanoff by SD and won by judges even knowing it was almost a draw but judges scored 86 for More and 84 for Besmanoff!I know that they fought twice and Moore beat hem every time and Besmanoff claimed Moore was best fighter he faced!
    Besmanoff did not beat Moore even knowing you wanna tell that in favour in Liston because judges scored more points for Moore than Besmanoff and second time Moore beat him badly!He was stopped on his feet against Liston and he was knocked and beaten badly by old Moore and how he was decimated by Liston?
    Liston did not have peak Ali better fight than Moore!Not even first time!Moore crouched and was able to frustrate Ali and decked him few times while Liston could not touch Ali whole time and run like a madman because he was frustrated!Second time they fought Ali knocked him in first round!
    In favour of Liston you again said he was old and unprepared as every excuser because he was beaten by Ali in first round but how old was Liston and how old was Moore against Ali!
    Liston was at his best after Patterson wins and Moore was what 50 years old and was LHW?
     
  15. SerbianLoudmouth

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    Marciano is not tailor made for Liston because he is not a swarmer!Chuck wepner a bum and Marshall made 10 rounds but iron chinned Marciano could not?Marciano is not tailor amde for anyone because his style is unique!He is not swarmer like Frazier!