Sonny Liston vs the following Louis foes

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  1. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pastor beat McCoy twice, beat Delaney, Lesnevich and when was past his prime he beat Bivins.
    Name 5 Williams wins that are better than this, but you can not as we all know.
     
  2. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    It was hard to pick out one thing from all the other nonsense you've written, but this was the one that really caught my eye. Even including an estimated 8-10 unrecorded bouts while in prison, Liston had far less amateur experience than Louis did. Certainly not enough to make up for the fact that he was a 7-bout professional novice when he lost to Marshall.
     
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    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Liston had many fights in prison plus AUU and Golden Gloves he won.
    When Louis was boxing, amateur boxing was almost non existing.
    It was hard to pick things, because everything I told was true.
     
  4. Ney

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    In the hypothetical world of every man on his game & highly motivated, you would favour Liston, & by some margin. If he’s going through these guys one by one he should still get it done, but I wouldn’t be terribly shocked if he was brought undone by Schmeling, or a serious Baer.

    If making odds I would expect Liston to probably KO the lot.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Liston had10 amateur fights.
    Louis had 28. Louis won the Lhvy AAU title.

    Boxing first appeared at the Olympic Games in 1904 and, apart from the Games of 1912, has always been part of them. From 1904 to 2020, the United States and Cuba won the most gold medals
    Liston did not have"many fights in prison."
    You make it up to suit your agenda as you go along don't you.
     
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  6. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    As McVey says, it's completely untrue that "amateur boxing was almost non existing" in Louis's time.

    Since you're interested, it's also untrue that Scrapiron Johnson claimed Liston tried to blind him, that Leotis Martin already had detached retina when he fought Liston, and that Marty Marshall had a "broken shoulder" in the third Liston fight.
     
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  7. BoxingFan2002

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    Marshall, a last minute substitute for Harold Johnson, lost all but the first round and it was even. Johnson hurt his shoulder while training for the bout. (UP) From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette- "Liston apparently planned to coast through the bout, and (Referee) McTiernan warned him twice to get in there and fight." Liston had Marshall on the verge of a knockout on several occasions, but the safety-minded Detroit fighter found a way to survive
     
  8. BoxingFan2002

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    Peltz believes Martin suffered the career-ending eye injury not against Liston, but in a bout Peltz promoted at the Blue Horizon against Wendell Newton two months before the Liston fight.

    “I’ve always believed that to be the case,” Peltz said. “It was supposed to be an easy fight for Leotis but it wasn’t, and his eye blew up. He might have been behind on the cards when he stopped Newton.”
     
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    Somehow you missed the bit that said, "JOHNSON hurt his shoulder".There was nothing wrong with MARSHALL'S shoulder! lol
    Johnson said Liston tried to blind him.
    Liston had trouble with Marshall in their third fight .
    Marshall had an injured shoulder.
    Liston lacked stamina.
    Liston had more amateur fights than Louis.
    Louis and Liston had the same amount of experience, when Louis fought Schmeling and Liston fought Marshall.
    What a crock of absolute BS!!!
     
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  11. SolomonDeedes

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    Without a scrap of evidence. Against Newton he was hampered by a ruptured blood vessel in his lower eyelid which is a nasty injury but not the same thing as a detached retina. Martin told his manager that his eye was troubling him immediately after the Liston fight and never expressed any doubt that it was the cause. As he recalled:

    I got hurt in the fifth round... or maybe it was late in the fourth. Anyway, I kept on boxing, but I thought I was bleeding. I kept wiping my eye with my glove and then looking at the glove, looking for blood. I went back to my corner and I asked, "How's the cut?"

    Quinzell McCall, my trainer, he said, "There ain't no cut."

    I thought, "Uh-ohh, I'm hurt." The blood I was seeing was in the eye.
     
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  12. BoxingFan2002

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    Leotis Martin had eye surgery, he had problems with his retina way before Liston fight.
    Search that better, so another myth about almighty Liston is Busted.
     
  13. BoxingFan2002

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    So you're trying to say that his eye injury has nothing with retina problems which is laughable.
    Guess you know better than Martin and Peltz.
     
  14. BoxingFan2002

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    Marshall, a last minute substitute for Harold Johnson, lost all but the first round and it was even. Johnson hurt his shoulder while training for the bout. (UP) From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette-

    He was lacking stamina in two his fight and didn't have gas in his tank to KO anyone after 7 rounds.
    Case closed.
     
  15. BoxingFan2002

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    If he didn't then why he didn't KO guy that was 30 pounds lighter than him?
    Almighty Liston could beat every HW ever but not KO a bum?