Sonny Liston vs. Vitali Klitschko

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  1. McGrain

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    So you believe all this but don't believe him when he said he was ready, is that right?
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    :lol: when McGrain is on form I love watching him argue.
     
  3. McGrain

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    It's hard to find the motivation these days but the mood does take me from time to time.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    It'll be a long while until anything tops "I scored it for Holmes 8-3-1" :lol:
     
  5. McGrain

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    :rofl that was amazing for sure. And his whole premise was that he had really, really watched and studied it, unlike the rest of us.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Vitali had 60 stitches inserted in the cuts on his face. There is one full of it here.


    You.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    All boxers say they are ready for a big fight unless injured. That is a moot point if you have been watching boxing for decades. Whether they are really ready can be a different story!

    If you think less than 2 weeks is enough to prepare for the best opponent you've ever faced, just say so McGrain

    If you think training for 10 rounds vs a non-name is the same as training for 12 rounds vs the lineal champion, just say so McGrain.

    Not answering the above proves my points! But they were what Vitali was training for.

    Until then I'll stand on all points made which include Vitali's form improved post-Lewis.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    So says the guy who's wrong more than a broken clock! Vitali was training for Purity you said? :lol::lol::lol:

    Even if you corrected this at a later date after I pointed out for you, it simply underscores your lack of knowledge of the facts.

    So spare me who's full of it. That sir is you. As I said before you should have flush handles for ears.

    Back to the thread...
     
  9. McGrain

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    But not after the fight. Understand? After the fight, fighters don't "say they are ready for a big fight" because the fight is now in the past.

    Vitali has been consistent in claiming good shape for Lewis. He stressed the point.

    If I thought that, I would say so.

    Lewis and Vitali both had two weeks to prepare for the best fighter they'd ever met. Neither was very good when they met which probably underscores the fact that both were under-prepared mentally for such a huge task.

    I don't think it made any difference to Vitali. I don't know for a fact, but I suspect that Vitali and Wlad both just have "fight ready" and "not fight ready". I don't think Vitali was "Training for ten rounds." I think Vitali would have got in the ring as ready for a ten round fight as a twelve round fight.

    I also think the top guys like Lewis and Vitali probably have an extra 1 or 2 % which they find only for the real threats, the huge fights. Probably more 1% in Vitali's case. And I don't think either man was in that place for that fight.

    :rofl I can't answer your post while you are typing it!!
     
  10. On The Money

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    I'd favour Vitali as Liston has two terrible displays on his cv and Vitali doesn't have one. He also couldn't put away a journeyman called Bert Whitehurst on two separate occasions, one time is forgivable but two isn't. His only excuse can be the same mob influences that dropped him like a bag of spuds vs Ali. No, Vitali holds the aces.
     
  11. janitor

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    Pretty awful logic on every point.
     
  12. On The Money

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    Logic is that Liston has several indifferent displays on his resume, Vitali doesn't. Fact.
     
  13. janitor

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    That might be relevant if their careers were comparable, which they are not.
     
  14. On The Money

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    So don't compare resumes for ko's, records of men beaten, prime years, losses and any decisions needed :silly

    Just checking his record again he didn't stop one guy with his 0 intact, except Ali and we know what happened there. Patterson was two excellent wins but he'd been stopped early before.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Vitali had the same notice to fight Lewis as Lewis had to fight him. Lewis was training to fight a 6'2" Kirk Johnson whose best wins were over Maskaev and Donald,[huge motivation there then] with Johnson's injury Lennox was suddenly faced with the prospect of a 6'7" opponent. Vitali was to meet Cedric Boswell on the undercard ,Boswell is 6'3" with an 81" reach.Lewis had to make more of an adjustment than Vitali.
    Vitali was stopped, get over it!