Sonny Liston's shoulder injury.

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  1. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Oh well,it look's like the anti-Liston rabble are at it again.
    Some fairly obvious points to make :
    Why would so many doctors,public officials etc be so adamant Sonny's injury
    was genuine ? What could they possibly gain by telling lies ?
    To call any professional boxer a ' quitter ' is absurd.To call any professional
    boxer who achieved the level of success gained by Liston is plain stupid.
    For some reason the Liston haters refuse to acknowledge the raw courage
    a very inexperienced Liston showed in only his eighth fight by fighting several
    rounds with a broken jaw.
    Sonny Liston is rated as one of the greatest heavyweight-champions in history
    by some of boxing's greatest experts and historians.When a man achieves
    the level of success in boxing that Liston gained he is no quitter.
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yup Ingo's 2-2 is superior to Liston's 3-0
     
  3. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How could he?
    Well Ingo beat Patterson worse than Liston with longer beating.

    Satterfield knocked Williams with one right hand despite being a LHW and a smaller man unlike Liston who was real HW.

    I know it hurts you, swag and the rest of fanboys but Satterfield knocked Williams easier plus he was smaller man means he did better than Liston.
     
  4. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ingo knocked Machen in the first round, Listom went distance.

    Ingo also knocked Patterson first, Liston wasn't the first one who cracked his chin.

    I know it hurts you, but he did better than your hero.
     
  5. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your hero quits twice, cheated...he has no heart and could not be called brave unlike Marciano, Frazier, Ali, Holyfield etc...deal with that.

    Which HW champ quit on his stool?
    None...tnx.
     
  6. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, you don't like someome doing better than your hero?
     
  7. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    What do you mean "longer beating"?

    How did Satterfield do it better if it took him one extra round?
     
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  8. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Longer and worse beating sustained.

    How?
    Both finished Williams in 3th rounds while Satterfield was able to KO him cold and was a LHW unlike Liston.
    Pound for pound and in actual fight Satterfield did better.
     
  9. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Why is it better to take a longer time to beat a fighter? You would say then that Eddie Booker and Don Cockell did better against Harry Mathews because it took them a longer time to finish him than it did Marciano?
    Ali did better against Frazier than Foreman did?
    Something don't seem right....

    You haven't shown how being lighter while knocking out an opponent makes you better than a heavier guy doing it. We're talking heavyweights, there's no weight limit, there is no pound for pound with the big boys, it's just h2h.
     
  10. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali didn't beat Frazier unlike Foreman.

    Ingo beat the crap of Patterson and was the first man to do that.
    Also Ingo knocked Patterson cold with one punch, something Liston couldn't do.

    For me, comparing Ingo and Liston would be like comparing Shavers and Foreman, Listo and Foreman are superior in everything except punching power.

    KOing opponents cold with one punch is better than just beating them.
    Satterfield knocked Williams cold with one punch something not even Liston could do.
    It is pound for pound, Satterfield is 30 lbs lighter man than Liston, his win is better just because that but it is even better because Satterfield KOed him cold with one punch.
     
  11. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Ali holds a TKO win over Frazier, a prolonged 14 round beating.

    How? isn't a prolonged beating was better than a quick ko?

    Isn't a prolonged beating better than a one punch ko?

    So a lighter heavyweight is better than a heavier one because....?
     
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  12. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah but Frazier also beat him in their first fight.

    Well Liston beating Patterson is more prolonged, because he needed many punches to keep Patterson down while Ingo KOed him with one punch.

    Well not really, since this waw prolonged beatin wtih one punch KO at the end.

    Because he knocked the same man easier while being smaller.
     
  13. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Anyone whos seeing this, sorry. Even ill admit theres too much Liston lately. Im done posting threads about him for a while. I love the sport and am sorry if the spotlights taken a weird turn.
     
  14. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    That's irrelevant. Floyd beat Johansen twice.

    So, Liston beating Patterson with a prolonged beating is better than Johansen doing it with one punch.

    Satterfield beat Williams with one punch while at the same time giving him a prolonged beating. Ok.

    But you said it was a prolonged beating, how was it easier?
    What does being smaller have to do with it?
     
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  15. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah but in first fight Ingo knocked Patterson with one shot KO which Liston could not.
    Yeah, I would rate higher that one shot punch.

    How prolonged because Liston and Satterfield both stopped Williams in 3rd round.
    It has because being 30 pounds lighter than Liston against Williams who was real modern sized HW.