Sonny Liston's Sisters And Brothers

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Aug 10, 2010.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hey man, he's just using logic. It's just the most progressive thing you can do when you really get down to facts, right?
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Thanks for pointing me in the direction of that article. There was a lot of intresting feedback from fight figures around Ibeabuchi. I would love to read a more in-depth account from Curtis coaks about Ibeabuchis mental well being throughout their time together.

    Schizophrenia often does develop after the age of 19 in men. It’s a very complex condition. It covers a wide range of things some of which applied to what we know about Ike and some that really don’t. On Wikipedia it says that one of the main symptoms is a lack of motivation.

    “reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation. People with schizophrenia often have additional mental health problems such as anxiety, depressive, or substance-use disorders.”

    Ike seemed the opposite of a reduced social engagement kind of guy. Or One who lacked motivation, from the little I have read, the symptoms of schizophrenia could as easily be shared or exasperated with substance abuse.

    Do we know Ike actually diagnosed?
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How in the hell is this now a relevant and active thread in 2018?
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Schizophrenia has positive and negative symptoms. Negative would be him barely getting out the dressing room. Positive would be deliberately crashing a car. It goes in both directions. I don't know that he was ever formally diagnosed, but was legitimately delusional and bascially overacheivdd considering his mental state.
     
  6. choklab

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    Sorry. Strange tangent I know! Lol.
     
  7. Chuck1052

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    I found the Liston family in the 1930 and 1940 U.S. Census Records. Sonny was not in the 1930 U.S. Census Records, but was in the 1940 records while being listed as a 10-year-old. Based on such records, I think it is likely that Sonny was born during the early 1930s, but not during the late 1920s.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    All true. Sonny was not as old as some want to believe.

    his life would put years on anybody though!
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    When wild guessing becomes factual in one own mind.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    How do you know what’s factual in my own mind? The odds are more than likely.

    The chances of Ike not being on PEDs is equal to the chances that he was always crazy. From day one.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Nothing has ever came out about Ike and drugs. Unfounded speculation.

    Without proof one could say it's a chokking allegation ;)
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was being sarcastic. :oops::risas3:
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I know. I was just adding to your summation.

    Being brothers in arms!!!

    :lol:
     
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