Sonny Liston's standing as an ATG if he got his title shot earlier?

He stopped Williams twice in less than 6 minutes total. He walked through Williams best punches and knocked him out quickly. It doesn't mean that he didn't have to eat some powerful shots, but these were relatively easy fights for Sonny.

 

That is correct I meant #2 and I meant 1958, I shall edit that. Even so Sonny was rated below London.

Answer me this, Was Sonny ever rated above anyone Floyd fought before 1959?

 

No matter. His profile was higher in 59-60. Unfortunately the rematch clauses between Patterson and Ingo rightly took priority.

Sonny spent a lot of 1961 suspended over an incident whereby he was stopping cars to pick up women while impersonating a police officer.

 

And there it is!!!!! Pants in fire!!!!!!

Imagine the claims shenanigans if guys like your good self weren't here to factually shoot them down.

 

Of course you meant that

Your intense bias toward Liston just never dissipates does it. The mental gymnastics you go thru to try and justify your claims are mind boggling.

Sonny being rated above anyone Patterson fought before 59 is pure and utter deflecting. Challengers have been leapfrogging higher ranked guys forever and a ****ing day. Holmes - Frank, Holmes - Frazier, Ali - Evangelista, Foreman - Roman...hell most challengers have someone ahead of them.

You can't even let Liston have an imaginary earlier shot, which 99% of people know could easily have happened such is your disdain for the guy.

 

Your Liston shenanigans and lies have been brutally caught out again chok. Our work is done here.

Quite cute how Liston is now in the "champion in the making" imaginary bracket so that all the countless contenders that have got shots they didn't deserve comparative to others are now out of the conversation. Incredible even by your standards.

 

The first fight that went into the third round. That's more than 6 minutes.

I wouldn't say Liston walked thru his best punches. Despite the brevity of the occasions he took his time and showed Williams quite a bit of respect which had been earned thru some cracking shots.

He completely walked thru Patterson that's for sure. Neither fight reached the 2.15 mark.

 

not one bit. Answer me this: Was Sonny ever rated above anyone Floyd defended against before 1959?

well look at it. Ali had four years from 1960-64 to get a title shot. He hit the ratings in February 1962. He beat the same number of contenders that Sonny had to from 1958-62, and as the outstanding contender, like Sonny, he also had to wait for the then champion to rematch Floyd before he got his shot. And he even did it all without getting suspended for most of a year like Sonny did as #1 contender.

 

You don't have to be an outstanding contender to get a shot! Stop ignoring this. You only label Liston as an outstanding contender and champion in the making so you can thrust forth more imaginary hoops to jump thru in your quest to deny him, of all things, a fantasy title shot. Pre shenanigans.

chokking form!

 

There are different ways of looking at it though. Sometimes a champ needs the work while bigger fights are being made. The bigger ones are harder to make than the mismatches. Always have been. Whoever took on only the leading contenders?

Sonny was too good to be taken on without a decent ranking. Just like all the other eventual champions.

Before 1959 He was never passed over by somebody with a lower ranking.

 

Marciano is one of few who basically took on leading contenders.

Which further enhances my point. You harp on about how low Sonny was ranked at that time so he's hardly a leading contender now is he.

Can't have your cake and eat it.

 

I presume he was rated above Pete Rademacher.

 

I’m saying Sonny was too good to take on “without” a decent ranking. Just like all the best ones.

why should any champion take on a red hot prospect before he’s high in the ranks?

The champion won’t get any credit for beating him up or losing to a guy without a rank. And for half the money he could get had the contender already gained the higher profile and stature worthy of the higher ranking.

 

No Pete rated higher than Sonny Because Liston was in jail at the time. Liston was unknown ex fighter and out of boxing.

You can’t rate any lower than behind bars.

 

Fair enough, I exaggarated.

Again, it all lays in semantics. The truth is that Liston destroyed Williams in quick and brutal fashion. He took some bombs for sure, but people exaggarate Williams success to ridiculous degree.