Sonny was a Cool-Cat, Cassius was Square

Well, we all make mistakes. We all make dumb moves. Don't you agree ?

I happen to feel that Tupac's death was partly the result of a dumb move, or a series of dumb moves, on his part. He flirted with the gangster image to a point where some people here now actually believe he was one !

I don't think your "positive" view of people is necessarily a good and logical thing. Most of the kids out there living dangerous lives on purpose, acting like or trying to be gangsters, are making a big mistake, where life imprisonment or violent death or disability are common consequences. I think it's fair to make a broad judgment that they are making dumb moves. It's also a mature and responsible attitude, not that I'm a preachy type of person. I was just stating the fact of the matter.

Like I said, we all make mistakes. Tupac probably made some that proved fatal. Really, I thought that was self-evident.

Obviously, that doesn't exonerate the murderous ******* who shot him.
(But perhaps the shooter would come under your definition of "civilized" person, and be immune from judgment too ??)

 

And damn right he was:
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Ah no, im just kidding. Dont hate rap, some of its ok but some sound to me like they're reciting nursery rhymes, but what do i know? just give me sinatra or Led Zep anyday.Incidently, while ya gotta admire some rappers for their phrasing (i think thats the word), sinatra was excelling at that 50/60 yrs ago

 

Think he played 'Bones' mc Coy in Star Trek lol

 

In one word, scum. That´s what he was. Good riddance.

 

2pac gets a bad rep he was in fact a civil rights activist and spoke at a few civil rights events such as the indiana civil rights expo and he wrote songs trying to change peoples views on woman and peace. Yeah a lot of his stuff was "gangsterish" but that was how he was feeling at the time.

He would always find a time to help others but at other times he was an idiot.

 

DeForrest Kelley !

DeForrest & Kelley - Sounds like a 1920s boxing corner for sure.

 

Yea we all make dumb moves, I just dont hold it against myself or others. It's human, and were all human. That may seem obvious, but thats where Im coming from when I say I have sympathy for everyone.


"Obviously, that doesn't exonerate the murderous ******* who shot him.
(But perhaps the shooter would come under your definition of "civilized" person, and be immune from judgment too ??)"

Who knows? I dont know the guy who shot him. I don't think anyone does. I would bet a few bucks that he fell under my definition of uncivilized, but I wouldnt bet too much

 

Read 'Night Train' the sonny liston story. Its a superb book on Listons life

 

Liston was very fast too.



Right before Ali-Liston 2 begins, they are warming up in their corner.


Seconds before the bell rings, Liston looks over at Ali who is dancing on his toes, and Liston does the SAME THING. However once the bell rings they fight in their respective styles.



I think Ali-Liston 1 & 2 are 2 of the greatest matchups in boxing history that dont get the credit they deserve because of the controversy that surrounds the fights

 

Or a firm of unscrupulous lawyers (see 'The Fortune Cookie'.)

 

lol I didnt notice that Duce, but wow. I guess that explains a lot.




But guys. How can Ali be a square if this picture was taken of him?

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so, did he hit liston with that guitar or the phantom punch ??