Sony Liston vs. Amos Lincoln

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anybody want to add the 2-cents in, before I post information.

    Sonny was supposed to fight Zora Folley,,,,,,,,but
    a bout was set-up with his former sparring partner Amos Lincoln.

    Lincoln was convinced that he had Sonny's number, after out-boxing him
    in late 1964, and in the the spring of 1965, both sparring sessions in
    preparation for the Ali-Liston II rematch.

    Sonny Liston was still claiming he was born in May 1932, and was 36.
    But Amos Lincoln was claiming he had numerous documents with
    different Liston birth dates, ranging from 1925 to 1933.
     
  2. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    12/10/68

    Wolrd Heavyweight Championship Fight
    Joe Frazier vs Oscar Bonavena

    At the Philadelphia Spectrum.

    Sonny Liston was going to fight Zora Folley on the undercard.
    Zora Folley had just lost a Majority Decision to Oscar Bonavena in Argentina.
    He was hoping for a possible bout with Joe Frazier.

    Sonny Liston was the scheduled opponent, but Zora Folley pulled out.
    The replacement fight, Sonny Liston vs Amos Lincoln.

    But, Joe Frazier's management did not want Sonny Liston on the card, so the
    bout as switched over to neighboring Baltimore, Maryland.
     
  3. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Amos Lincoln was another decent boxer that Liston faced during his comeback run, who had formerly been rated in the top 10 and was coming off two decent efforts against Buster Mathis and Joey Orbillo. He held two wins over Thad Spencer and was robbed by the referee against Henry Clark.
     
  4. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great A,

    Though Amos Lincoln may have been on the down-slide a bit, he was still a
    dangerous opponent.
    That looping overhand right of his, was a perfect foil for Sonny Liston's slow left lead.

    Zora Folley was guaranteed a match with Joe Frazier, if he beat Sonny Liston.
    But he had change of heart, in fighting him.
     
  5. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JT,

    The 12/10/68 Bout.

    What had happened in August 68', Oscar Bonavena won a Majority Decision over
    Zora Folley in Argentina.
    The winner, was granted a fight with Joe Frazier in December.

    The Bonavena vs. Folley decision was not controversial, but could have easily been a Draw.
    Joe Frazier's people offered Zora Folley a title shot in early 1969, if he could beat
    Sonny Liston.
    A #4 Sonny Liston vs # 9 Zora Folley fight was supposed to be the undercard fight at
    the Philadelphia Spectrum.

    The rumor going around, was that Liston could be hit with any right hand over the top.
    And Zora Folley still had his 'bread-n-butter' punch.

    For some reason, after agreeing to fight Sonny Liston, Zora changed his mind, and pulled out.
     
  6. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    duce, can you put some reports on here about sonny liston fron his early career.there must be tons of information that you have on sonny that the rest of us don't.cheers:good
     
  7. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    turpinr,
    After I close out 1968, fight with Amos Lincoln.

    What information would like to see.


    1957 thru 1963
    1953 thru 1956
    Or the Sweden trips with his wife, Jack Nilon and Foneda Cox?
     
  8. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    all 3, good sir :good
     
  9. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Bring it one Il Duce! Can't wait :D
     
  10. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When fading and unranked Amos Lincoln 41-10-1 (24 KO's) was suggested as the replacement for #9 Zora Folley, it was met with approval from Sonny Liston and Dick Saddler.

    The rumble was that, simply put, Amos Lincoln was shot.
    At 32, too many wars and late nights in Watts, California.

    At one time in late 1966, Amos Lincoln was the #3 Ranked Heavyweight in the
    World. Boasting a record of 38-5-1, he was on the verge of securing a shot with
    Muhammad Ali, or possibly entering one of the Elimination Tournaments.

    But, an upset loss in 10/66 to Johnny Persol in Madison Square Garden, a fight he was heavily favored to win, derailed 'Big Train'.

    Since October 1966, Amos Lincoln had gone 3-5-0, in his last '8' fights, and was
    Knocked-out in '3' of them.
    His only quality win, was a tough hard-fought battle with #16 Joey Orbillo in California, several months earlier, in July 1968.
    In his last fight, September 1968, he lost a 10-Round decision to #4 Buster Mathis. The light-punching Mathis
    had Amos Lincoln on the canvas in the 4th, and in trouble in the 5th. But Lincoln held on, and did come back and make a fight of it over the last 5 rounds.

    Still, the inside boxing guys said, one good shot to his jaw, and he was done.
     
  11. Il Duce

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    #4 Sonny Liston, age 36, 6' 1/2", 215 3/4 lbs. (45-3-0) (35 KO's)
    versus
    #22 Amos Lincoln, age 32, 6' 2 1/2", 209 1/2 lbs. (41-10-1) (24 KO's)

    10 Rounds
    Odds; Sonny Liston 3-1 Favorite

    Tuesday 12/10/68
    Civic Center, Baltimore, Maryland
    Fight Scheduled for 9:00 PM
    Broadcast of Joe Frazier vs Oscar Bonavena 'Title Fight' in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to follow.

    Ticket Prices;
    Ringside,,,,,,,,,, $25.00
    Ring Perimeter,, $15.00
    Auxillary,,,,,,,,,,, $7.50
    General,,,,,,,,,,,,,$6.00

    Capacity; 14,000

    General Information;
    Orginal scheduled bout to be the undercard at 'The Spectrum', Sonny Liston vs. Zora Folley.
    The originally scheduled opponent Zora Folley backed out. If Zora Folley had beaten Sonny Liston, he would have
    been offered a 'Title Fight' with Joe Frazier in March 1969.
    Zora Folley felt it was too big of a risk, for too little money.

    Since Joe Frazier and his management had no interest in a fight with Sonny Liston, the Sonny Liston vs Amos Lincoln fight was shifted from the Spectrum in Philadelphia, to the Civic Center in Baltimore.

    The Liston vs Lincoln fight (winner) had no significance in a potential fight with Joe Frazier.

    Sonny Liston was hoping, after beating Amos Lincoln, for a fight with Buster Mathis or Bob Cleroux in early-1969,
    and possibly a mid-1969 'Title Fight' versus WBA Champion Jimmy Ellis.
     
  12. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 1;

    Each fighter wastes no time, as they meet each other at ring-center.
    Sonny Liston fires first, with his famous long heavy left jab that lands.
    Amos Lincoln comes right back with a quick left, and a whistling right over the top.
    Liston stays a little lower than usual, and fires a solid left to Lincolns mid-section.
    Lincoln moves back, and his looking to counter.
    Lincoln feints with the left, and shoots a straight right that lands on Listons head.

    Liston presses with heavy lefts, but Lincoln is willing to make a fight of it.
    Liston misses with a left hook, and Lincoln counters with a decent jab, and tries a short right, but it is blocked by Liston.
    Liston digs a good left to the body, which hurts Lincoln, forcing him to back up.

    Liston sensing he hurt Lincoln, moves in a lands a solid 1-2. Lincoln slides off to his right
    and pushes his arms out to keep Liston off him.
    Liston misses a long straight right, and Lincoln counters with a light right hand that lands.

    Liston stops for a moment, and stays defensive with both gloves in front of his chest,
    looking for an opening.
    Lincoln attempts a double left jab, which both punches are short.
    Lincoln keeps moving and attempting to stick light jabs.
    Liston keeps pressing, shooting long left leads.
    Liston lands '2' heavy left jabs as the round ends.

    Round 1
     
  13. Il Duce

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    Round 2;

    Liston sets the pace, with a pressing attack, shooting heavy lefts at Lincolns head.
    Lincoln tries to use his reach and height, to stay away.
    Liston lands a good left, but misses a big straight right.

    Lincoln tries to will himself back into the fight, and throws a 3-punch comination, but the
    punches lack steam.
    Liston slows for a moment, and Lincoln lands a sharp left jab, his bet punch so far.
    Liston stays a little low, as he shoots in a left to the body.
    Lincoln moves back, as Liston closes in.
    Liston fires a right-left to the body, as Lincoln counters with a looping right over the top.

    Liston pounds in a heavy left, which causes Lincoln to fall back.
    Lincoln is hurt from that left.
    With approximately 1:10 left in the round
    Liston presses hard with a short inside barrage.

    Lincoln tries to escape, but is not attempting to punch back.
    Liston stalks at half-speed, and fires a long straight right that staggers Lincoln.
    Lincolns tall and lanky body wobbles.
    Liston gets in close, and shoots a heavy left-right to the body that drive Lincoln into the ropes.

    Lincoln attempts a right hand to keep Liston off him, but leaves himself wide open.
    Liston unloads a perfect-crisp left hook on Lincolns chin.

    Lincoln tumbles into the ropes, where Liston unloads another barrage on a defenseless Lincoln.

    Referee Benny Goldstein jumps in to halt the fight.

    Time 2:46 of Round 3.

    Amos Lincoln was unconscious while tangled up in the ropes.

    He was out for 8 minutes.
     
  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston could have seriously hurt Amos Lincoln with this knockout.
    The Big Train lost his next 3 fights by k.o. to lessor grade fighters.


    Sonny Liston vs. Amos Lincoln
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    1968-12-10 : Sonny Liston 215¾ lbs beat Amos Lincoln 209½ lbs by KO at 2:46 in round 2 of 10
    • Location: Civic Center, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
    • Referee: Benny Goldstein
    "The manager of losing fighter Amos (Big Train) Lincoln was embittered Tuesday night, after Lincoln was kayoed at 2:46 of the 2nd round by former heavyweight champion Sonny Liston. He was mad at referee Benny Goldstein who kept the fight going after Lincoln's second had thrown a towel into the ring, a symbol of surrender. Liston hurt Lincoln with a left hook and then knocked him onto the canvas with a three-punch combination midway through the 2nd round. Lincoln rose dazedly and his handlers threw in the towel. But Goldstein chose to ignore the towel, and
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    Doctors and seconds finally revived him and he left the ring under his own power." -United Press International
    • Liston was scheduled to fight the next night in a three round exhibition in Las Vegas. A benefit card for former middleweight Ferd Hernandez, who had undergone an eye operation.
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      -Heywood Jones, manager of Amos Lincoln, on the referee ignoring the towel.
    • "I knew the boy was in trouble with that last left hook. The last two times he boxed he just didn't seem sharp to me and it looked like the fight had just better be stopped then and there." -Jim Dudley, the second who threw in the towel.
    • "I'd get on a plane to Philadelphia tonight for the chance." -Sonny Liston, when asked if he would like to fight the winner of the Joe Frazier-Oscar Bonavena title fight, which was taking place that same evening.
     
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  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Why wasn't he wanted on the card?