Sooo, Ali in his Prime beats ALL Other Heavies?

He did but Earnie told all who would listen, me included when he was training in Mpls., that Ali drew him in and thumbed him badly in the first round. On film its hard to see, there was a clinch and I'm assuming that's when it happened according to Terrell. Earnie told me the fight was over at that point, everything was a blur for the next 15 rounds leaving him little to do but cover up.

 

I don’t know why I’m giving an immature and banned individual like Farooq time but here we go I’m bored. Marciano knocked out every opponent he faced over 200 pounds. To say he wasn’t a great swarmer proves how casual and idiotic you are. Any moron that would bring up a completely non important fight that no one saw as proof of someone’s lackness in greatness while ignoring wins over three p4p greats is truly desperate. Get a grip you loser.
Secondly every fighter hits their prime at different stages and AGES. Some fighters peak at 23 others are better in their 30s. Others are also better when they weren’t banned from fighting for almost five years with only three fights.

 

Height and weight has nothing to do with the fact that Ali controlled distance with his jab, and that Lennox has a longer reach and longer jab.

 

Marciano will loose ten out of ten against prime Ali which would be Clay.

It would be a fast moving Jab marathon with Marc Kano doing all the catching and getting stopped on cuts before ten, it would not even be close.......Clay would not play around, he would make a statement, the difference in foot/hand speed is immense and the difference in footwork is even greater........Marciano will never ever close the distance, Clay will not tire like Marciano’s balding old timer signature fights and will administer a bloody beating. Fact.

Lennox Lewis also will not be able to deal with the speed of hand/foot , his clumsy foot work will be exposed by Clay’s footwork and Lemmie is not going to win the battle of the jabs, again too slow and the right hand will be cocked all night but never fired.........it also means going 15 rounds which means Lewis is coming in at 225 max .....he was never a conditioning monster, again stamina advantage Clay......Lewis always tried to dictate the pace but he fail against Clay, too fast paced and Lewis to cautious.

Awkward mover/jabbers like Norton and in your face destroy and be destroyed fighters like Frazier or Tyson will give Ali/Clay the toughest fights.

 

Ali was nowhere near his prime when he lost to Frazier and Norton. His prime years ended with the Folley fight. Period.

Ali outpointed Jones easily, 9-1 at least, IMO. People went over the top when Jones hit him with a right hand because they didn't like Ali. No way Jones was even close. In my opinion Jones was a very good fighter as a light heavy, but way too small as a heavyweight. He did not have the frame to fight as a heavy. Just look at him. He put on useless weight to go after the money. And he was unable to compete against any real contenders after he did.

 

No fighter who ever lived , beats all the fighters in their division. You'll lose to somebody, but of all the fighters in heavyweight history, Ali beats the most.

 

Lol the tired this person is a banned member thing is also sad. Marciano knocked out Don Cockell a fighter who started his career weighing 171, Lee Savold who started his career weighing 158, Keene Simmons 200 pounds. Johnny Shkor, who weighed as low as 190, Bill Wilson, and a few other guys who weighed 200 pounds when he fought them. None of these people were world class fighters. They weren't even considered good fighters in their on era. None of these guys were as big or skilled as Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, The Klitschko brothers, ect. So because a 180 pound bum like Marciano knocked out a few 200 pound bums like the guys he faced it makes him a world class elite figher?

Lol dude me idiotic? You still live in your fantasy world where a 5'10 180 pound fighter could compete against modern heavyweights. When was the last time there was a 5'10 180 pound heavyweight champion? Just like Eddie Murphy stated in "Coming to America" states. The moment you mention boxing certain a certain group of people will pull Rocky Marciano out of there butts for a clear obvious reason. What a sad little loser you are.

Aww but Marciano beat Archie Moore right? Moore was a natural 160 to 170 pound guy who was pushing 40. Ezzard Charles was a 170 pound guy who was 34 or 35 and Jersey Joe Walcott was a guy pushing 40 and was 190 pounds. So because Marciano beat some old ass fighters pushing 40 it made him great? This is why brain deads like you shoudln't be able to post on forums like this.

Also no human being who ever boxed body broke down by the time he was 28 without being beat down. This isn't up to debate. But I guess your casual fan ass heard somebody else use that excuse for Ali to justify him losing to Frazier and Norton so you use it too. If anything Fraziers body would of been broke down by the time he was 28. His style was punishing on his body which is why Frazier was pretty much done after the second Ali fight.

Go back to pleasuring yourself to your little dopey loser hero Marciano.

 

Right then you realize you just stated Lewis could beat Ali just because of his height. Now you are going to turn around and claim you didn't win I proved you wrong. Lewis struggled with people Ali sized and shorter. He didn't dominate every shorter fighter he faced with his jab just because he was taller.

 

Not every fighter's style was as focused around their jab as Ali's. Christ, do you ever listen?

 

Right Ali outpointed Doug Jones 9-1 even though most people at ring side though Jones won ? I guess you know more about boxing than these people. Also didn't somebody just type the same dumb crap about Ali being past his prime? Another casual who keeps repeating something because they heard Burt Sugar or somebody else tell them.

Lol also his prime fight was against Zora Folley? If you are stupid enough to believe which I am pretty sure you are. Then how is Ali great? Zora Folley was a 6'0 190 to 200 pound guy. So beating him made Ali the greatest of all time? Typical casual fan logic. As I stated you sad little casual fan no other heavyweight in boxing history was past his prime at 28 so what makes Ali so special? No other heavyweight body was broken down at 28 but Ali was? Get the hell out of here. As I stated you casual fans heard some moron like Burt Sugar or some other so called boxing expert say that so you repeat the same thing.

But if you want to use your sad logic Ali still got beat a 180 pound Doug Jones. He almost got knocked out by 190 pound Henry Cooper, He was knocked down by Sonny Banks a 190 pounder. He beat a old overrated Sonny Liston and beat Zora Folley so some how that made Ali the greatest?

In his own opinion Ali lost to Ken Norton a guy the same age as him all 3 times. Joe Frazier clearly beat Ali in their first fight. Ali himself pretty much admitted he got lucky against Foreman and refused to give him a rematch even though Ali gave countless other people a rematch. Ron Lyle is just as old as Ali and if anything would be even more broke down from the years of gang fights and prison fights and Ali struggled against him. But yeah because Ali beat 190 pound Zora Folley and odl Sonny LIston that means Ali is unbeatable ?

It is funny how Foreman is suppose to be so unskilled yet he was still beating guys like the 6'5 230 pound undefeated Lou Savarse when he was 48, beating 29-1 6'3 230 pound Shannon Briggs when he was almost 49. Knocking out the 6'2 220 pound 36-0 Michael Moorer when he was 45. Hell even guys like Pierre Coezter, Gerry Cooney, Bert Cooper were better than guys like Brian London, Karl Mildenberger that Ali was fighting in his "Prime". Foreman was able to stand toe to toe with 28 year old PED using Holyfield and the massive punching admitted steroid using Tommy Morrison well into his 40's. Yet Ali was washed up at 28 after not being hit much and taking 3 years off.

So many casual clueless fans on this site.

 

Dude, what's wrong with you?

 

Again who cares. You are trying to change your point. You flat out stated that Ali couldn't beat Lewis because of how big he was. Now you are trying say it was because of Lewis jab. Wait are you going to contradict yourself again? Ali would lose to Lewis because Lewis was just better. Lewis having a longer reach or being 6'4 1/2 has nothing to do with it.

 

Holyfield Moorer Byrd James Tooney Hide Sphinx Roy Jones were just a few that weighed in the 180s or less. AJ weighed a lot less without the roids. There is no more 180 champ because they fight at cruiser. Marciano was also closed to 190 for most of his career and his best weight was probably 188. More of a testament to the man he was that he knocked out just about everyone. Hopefully you’ll be banned again shortly you’re an obnoxious troll.

 

Lol and all of thees fighters were naturally better than Marciano. Roy Jones Jr had one fight at heavyweight against joke fighter John Ruiz. So you think that means Roy Jones could of beat Mike Tyson? James Toney beat who? Old Holyfield and old Hasim Rahman? James Tony also never won the heavyweight title. Chris Byrd actually spent most of his career weighing over 200 pounds and uses his defense to beat guys. Anthony Joshua is on roids? Who cares? Lol he is still a modern sized heavyweight. Marciano never weighed more than 190 in his career. Even if he did. Name one modern sized heavyweight Foreman size or bigger that Rocky Marciano even fought? What a clueless like casual fan you are. Hopefully you get banned. So you can go back to taking care of yourself as you look at your Marciano poster.

Are you going to cry now? Don't off yourself because I told you a fact that Marciano the guy you want to be your lover was a 3rd rate hack who couldn't even beat beat Ronda Rousey. But he did beat up some old 50 year old 160 to 180 pound guys. So that clearly means he is the greatest and could beat modern sized heavyweights? I see why your mommy doesn't love you.

 

Why would Lewis beat cautious against Ali? Ali wasn't a huge puncher. Also Lewis in shape had good stamina. He started to tire when he started to put the weight on. Ali got hit by 180 pound Doug Jones right hand over and over. Doug Jones wasn't big strong or even fast for a 180 pound fighter. Lewis would walk through anything Ali did and knock him out or Ali would just run and Lewis would win a boring decision .