Soooo we have it..pac only agreed to a 7 day cutoff

Floyd should have taken the 7 day cutoff, which would catch anything that Pac may be using. After all the disrespect that the Mayweathers threw Pac's way, he was still willing to go 7 days and accomodate Floyd. Floyd was willing to allow 14 days last time but now is willing to blow an insane amount of money and still prove something.atsch

Getting blood drawn a few days before the fight is idiocy and pointless, because it would affect both fighters after the hard training camp they've had. Both Shane and Floyd gave blood about 16 days before their fight and Floyd almost got dropped and Shane looked like **** from round 2 on.

 

Floyd said there was 0 negotiations, so where is 7 days coming from except for pac's side?

 

Who cares if it was 7, 14 or in between rounds. Bottom line is the fight shouldn't have been this hard to get done and there shouldn't have ever been this whole drug testing situation for either of these men. They are two of the cleanest athletes in ALL of sports. Not just boxing. If Floyd really wanted this fight he wouldn't have went about this situation like he did. It's clear Floyd needed to find a way out of the fight without having to look like he was ducking, but at the end of the day that's exactly what this whole "Smoke and Mirrors" bit looks like.

I'm pretty much over this fight. It won't happen unless Floyd wants to fight PAC. And it's clear he doesn't. Both men can go about there careers and be fine. It's the fans who are missing out on this one which is unfortunate. This is the most meaningful fight in the last 2 decades at least and it's a fight that will probably never happen.

 

im no expert but think you're right.the 14 day cut off was reasonable IMO.

 

Floyd is On Vacation..

oh and No Negotiations Took Place

 

What matters here is that Pacquiao and his whole team have been lying from the 1st day of negotiation.

The arbitrator that was hired to mediate had to step in at one point and call Bob Arum a liar for God's sake!:-(

 

who cares when no negotiations took place according to Floyd

 

what matters is that Pac agreed to 7 days, therefore Pac is clean. So you can drop your suspicions.

Even you don't truly think Pac was gonna juice to the bone during the last 7 days of training camp, pass the urine tests during those 7 days, pass the post fight blood test, and pass the post fight urine test.

 

Floyd knows PAC is clean and so does everyone else aside from a very limited group of over passionate Floyd supporters. This whole additional drug testing situation is now a necessity with regards to Floyd's career. From now on he'll have to request and undergo the drug testing he demanded for PAC if he decides to fight on. I don't think that was something he wanted but now he has no choice. THe good news is LV is adding to their drug testing procedures and EVERYONE who fights in LV will be subjected to the more in depth testing protocol.

 

Let me make one thing clear.......Random testing means just that, "Random testing"

In a random testing scenario, you may have testing occur at any time.......but it also means that you may not get tested for the last 20 days before the fight.
The testing may be done mostly at the beggining of training camp, and then not have any testing in the couple of weeks before, or vice versa, all the testing being done in the two weeks leading to the fight and none at all at the begginig of training camp.

I have no idea when the last date was that they tested Mayweather and Mosley, but the fact that both were subjected to being tested at anytime is what makes it right.
.....neither Mosley or Mayweather knew whether they'd come knockiing at the door the day before.
This fact is what keeps the athlete honest and much less likely to PED up at anytime during camp.

 

Asking for a cutoff of ANY sort defeats the purpose of the testing. So, yes, asking for 7 days is a problem. Let the experts determine the cutoff necessary to collect their samples. The most important thing should be that a neutral party is involved, exhaustively, making sure neither fighter is attempting to stack the deck, so to speak. This protects both fighters, helps to prevent the betting odds from being skewed, etc. It's good for the sport. I don't care who raised the issue and why.

I see no issue with asking for a stipulation that both fighters would have to undergo, as long as the commission is fine with it....and they are. It's up to the two fighters how they want these matters handled. Manny won't do random testing...Floyd has said he won't fight another opponent w/o it. Therefore, I do not see this fight getting made.

IMO...Manny and Co. asking fighters to drain themselves to what Roach believes (and he has said this) are uncomfortable weights, so as to gain an advantage, while Manny eats and trains comfortably, is more reproachable to me, than Floyd asking that he and another fighter undergo the same type of testing, before a fight. What does Manny's request do to ensure fair play? Who does it benefit, except Manny?

 

I dont know if thats possible or not, what I do know is that there have been reports that cyclist in the Tour de France have been getting away with cheating for years, and these guys have the random urine, blood and hair policy of testing.
Reports have been that as long as the cyclist is warned the day before that they're coming to test, they've been able to mask the PED's in their system.

Those that are in the business of supplying the PED's are surely also coming up with new methods to mask them and have them not being able to be detected on a blood or urine sample.

In the case of the cyclist, somebody on the inside who works for the co. that tests, was warning certain cyclist that were paying him when the tests were scheduled.

My point is, that if there are masking agents out there that are not detectable, Pacquiao or anyone can get away with PED'ing up, HGH, EPO, or what have you in those last 7 days.

 

No it doesn't. There's ALWAYS a cut off date. Whether it be 14 days, 7 or in between the 3rd and 4th rounds. There's always a cut off.

So negotiating the cut off doesn't defeat the purpose of the tests. The 3rd party needs to be nuetral. Give Floyd hired the USADA to do the tests and they CONFORMED their tests to meet Floyd's requirements some could view them as not being neutral.

They actually suggested that the NFL or the NBA or the MLB do the testing for the Floyd vs PAC fight but camp Mayweather turned that down. So they proceeded with negotiating the cut off for the USADA to handle this aspect of the fight.

Manny agreed to random testing but the two parties just couldn't agree to the cut off date. And that had to be MUTUALLY agreed to by both sides. Of course that didn't happen.

Catch weights are common in boxing and MANY of the greats have requested them including Floyd. So there is no issue with catch weight nor will there ever be. When you have a natrually SMALLER man challenging himself and seeking to make MEANINGFUL and exciting fights that puts them at risk....catch weights are in place for a reason. It helps fighters from different weight classes meet up at an ideal weight for both so that the fight can become reality.

 

So if a guy asks to buy Alaska for $1 and a pack of gum to the President is that a "negotiation"?

What is with you guys? If you know that no cut off date will be accepted how can you "want" to fight and keep putting up terms you KNOW won't be accepted?

Luke you are too smart not to see this stuff.

 

can we believe anything pacroid say.

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