Sorry, But History Says Vitali Klitschko Will Lose

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  1. link2296

    link2296 Boxing Addict banned

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    Everyone knows that the question "Is Vitali ready to jump right into a title fight?" is a valid one. But, considering the opponent, I will gladly take my chances on the older Klitschko.

    Klitschko is a former Champion who never lost the title...he merely relinquished the belt because of his health. He did the noble thing and chose not to clog up the weightclass...something Lennox Lewis waited too long to do.

    His opponent is very limited in size, reach, and skill...this is why Vitali is jumping right into the fight...he knows he will win this fight. Vitali's ring intelligence is highly underrated. He will once again prove his detractors wrong.

    Vitali in 4 KO!!!
     
  2. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Baldomir was #1 and Judah was still ranked in the top 10 when he fought him.
     
  3. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Already tried that, he's not responding ;)
     
  4. link2296

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    That comment doesn't even matter...Floyd never cared about his legacy at 140 and 147...he was merely an opportunist at those weights. He never intended on defending those titles. He accomplished what he wanted to accomplish...end of story!!
     
  5. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Hell! I'm not going to defend Mayweather! I more or less agree with you on that one, gimme a break here :blood
     
  6. Scar

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    He tried to make the big fights at 140 but couldn't get them, Hatton declined a fight and claimed he needs two more fights to be ready and Cotto was still new and rising, who else was there?

    His move to 147 was straight forward to WBC/WBA/IBF champion Zab Judah, a fighter many claimed Floyd would NEVER fight and is scared to death from back in the day through articles and random discussions, possibly the biggest fight to be made at the time, even bigger than the insane Hatton vs Mayweather talks. Judah loses and that fight drops from a megafight to just big fight. His intentions were clear as he made his move, if he's not serious he wouldn't have gone for Hatton who was the top man at 140, or Judah and Baldomir at 147, even the Oscar fight was a risky one in a new weight division for someone who can make 140 even now. Same question rises for 147 at the time when Mayweather was new, who else was there?, Margarito?, what has Margarito done in terms of accomplishments at that point?

    The division looking pretty now has nothing to do with when Mayweather was active and people tend to ignore that and continue the criticism despite the obvious retirement. No, I'm not labeling you one of them, just typing in general, I know you fully understand but had to let this off.
     
  7. link2296

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    I really don't care to discuss this any longer, but...it was obvious Floyd never intended on cleaning out any of the divisions over 135. He had already cemented his legacy and had nothing left to prove. He simply wanted the biggest money fights out there. Anyone can see that. But, when he moved up to 140 it was, at the time, the deepest division in boxing. Kostya Tszyu, Vivian Harris(Undefeated at the time), Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Muhamed Abdulaev, Lovemore N'dou, Ricardo Torres. Again, a lot of good fighters.

    He decided to go for the green strap, and chose the route of Chop-chop, bruseles, and Arturo Gatti.

    He did the same when he moved up to 147. He wanted the green strap and he got it...never once considering to defend his title against the toughest opposition in the division.

    But, that wasn't his goal...I just wish for the fans he could have made some of those fights.

    But, again, we don't know what kind of pain he went through while fighting with hand problems throughout every fight.
     
  8. link2296

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    The title is not vacant...I don't understand why people still don't recognize Wlad Klitschko as the HW Champion. He has already beaten the WBC Champ and owns the WBO and IBF. What gives?
     
  9. Scar

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    The Corley and Bruseless fights were to get him ranked #1 on the WBC to force a fight with Gatti and that was a fight the public wanted to see. The Tszyu case is very popular already, Tszyu is a SHOWTIME fighter and Mayweather is with HBO, even if they did try to make that fight Tszyu was 1 year inactive and had his eyes on fighting Hatton. The same month Tszyu fought Hatton, Mayweather fought Gatti and on the same night a possible opponent in Harris(which is why he was on the undercard) got KO'd by Maussa. Mayweather tried to set a fight with Hatton after that and Hatton's answer was final when him and his team openly stated they need more fights to be ready, two was the maximum number and Mayweather wasn't going to wait. I wouldn't really consider Abdullaev a serious threat at that point, he was also a new up and coming fighter who Cotto signed to fight because he lost to at the Olympics, he wasn't highly ranked anyway.

    Torres was unknown and unproven, the only time Torres was highly regarded was when Cotto called him out, even then people were talking down on Torres because the man never fought out of Columbia before and was taking that fight on short notice, even at that point Floyd was already booked to move up to Welterweight, get a tune-up and fight Judah right after it(who was also fighting a tune-up opponent yet WBC mandatory in Baldomir). It's true he wanted the big fights out there but even if you look at it, were there any other big fights out there that he could have easily made?, the answer is no and the situations surrounding them proves it. In boxing it's always easy to bring out possible names but is it easy to make those fights?, not all the time, it gets far more complicated than that.

    The only name I'll mention that he could have fought but didn't was Miguel Cotto at the time when Mayweather fought Hatton, even then Cotto had a fight with Mosley and that's the fight that got him to call Mayweather out and confirm he's finally ready for it and even that fight happened 1 month before Mayweather fought Hatton, which means Mayweather was already booked for a fight anyway. His choice to retire after it is what called off everything, if he remained active and didn't fight Cotto then sure I'll agree with you even though his disagreement with Arum could come in between but I'll still question it.

    Sadly that wasn't what he wanted to go for, he went for Judah and what did Judah have?, the WBC/WBA/IBF titles. Mayweather admitted he won't pay the fees for the rest of the titles and will only keep the WBC but still the champion he went for there had all three and was regarded as the undisputed champion.
     
  10. Arriba

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    Rule #28191028 on ESB:

    If it isn't about Floyd, Calzaghe or De La Hoya, make it so.
     
  11. Scar

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    :lol:
     
  12. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Funny you are so sympathetic to other fighters that have weight loss issues as long as their name is not Roy Jones Jr.:lol::lol::lol:
     
  13. TanstA

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    well my friend... history is about to be changed.
     
  14. psychopath

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    Vitali is no . . . Jeffries, Louis, Ali or Virchis . . . :D . . . you may have a point on history being against Vitali . . . but that doesn't always work.

    If Vitali wins this fight . . . then it makes his victory even bigger.:yep
     
  15. Arriba

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    They should launch a full investigation into whether Julius died of natural causes or whether he was murdered.

    I think King did it to begin his recruitment of Tyson.