sorry calzaghe your resume is weakest ever.

Man, even before Cotto vs. Margarito, I would rank Cotto and JMM over Calzaghe despite Joe holding the undisputed SMW title. He is fighting aged fighters whereas Cotto is fighting a prime challenger in Margarito. JMM is taking on a champion in Casa. Yea, I think Joe's resume is rather weak, though I wouldn't say the weakest. He did get by Jeff Lacy.

 

Hagler or Monzon wouldn't look good against Hopkins, its not a fair statement.

 

I've just returned home from hospital, just had my Lacy amnesia cured. I feel better now, but the one drawback is all I can think about is a severely limited boxer who looked like the real deal when fighting mediocre opposition but never achieved anything after his first loss, ie a one-year wonder with little skill.

I've heard of another disease going round these parts: Retrospective Size Downgrading. The symptoms are allowing time to dilute achievements such as a dominant performance versus an HOF, #3 P4P guy at the time, with a 40-0 (34) record who had KO'd an undefeated world light-middleweight champion and a world middleweight champion in his last 2 fights, and a tendency to blame size, when the guy in question stood 5'11" (tall for a middleweight), had a 72" reach (long for a middleweight), and weighed a pound and a half more at the weigh-in than the guy who beat him apparently purely on size.

 

Hopkins may well make anyone look bad, but my point is that you only look as good as your opponent lets you look.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't say Joe's "resume was the weakest ever", as per thread, it's got some good wins, but when your talking ATG; it can be questioned.

 

Also people ignore the fact that Ottke held the more weighty belt in the division for 6 years (while Joe clung to the WBO), and Ottke was also the unified 168 champion for part of that 6 year reign as well. He was technically the real champion during that time; not Joe.

 

it's all nonsense anyway.calzaghe couldn't really have improved his resume at all mainly because at super middle in his time there the division simply hasn't had a superstar to fight,he beat the best that's basically been put in front of him.at the start of his reign roy jones and james toney had already moved up to fight the bigger men and guys like eubank, reed,brewer,mitchell,woodhall etc.were the best he could have fought,ottke wanted no part of him.when eventually a couple of young guns come along in lacy and kessler people start claiming calzaghe is ducking them,when he eventually fights and whips them he still gets dissed.the hopkins fight could have happened several years before but it's well known that hopkins as usual priced himself out of the picture.while jones was fighting at light heavy and even heavy calzaghe was never on his radar,it's only now as a faded fighter at the end of his career he wants calzaghe basically for one last big pay day.

 

I agree with you about Cotto and JMM being above Cal P4P. I have him 4th behind Pac and those two, purely on resume. I think Kessler was a better win than Lacy tho. Lacy was an excellent performance but only a very good win because of the standard of opponent. Kessler was an excellent performance and an excellent win because IMO Kessler is a much better fighter than Lacy.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. LAcy and Kessler have shown that they are C/- class fighters. Calzaghe is probably B- or C+ fighter himself now, at his peak probably B+. These are the people he built his legacy off of? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl The man is a joke. The first time in his life he steps up he gets his ass beat by B-Hop but the refs bail him out. The guy will never be a ATG and his credentials to get into the HoF seem shakey at best.

 

ROY JONES JR
JAMES TONEY
BERNARD HOPKINS
STEVE COLLINS
SVEN OTTKE
DARIUSZ MICHALCZEWSKI
JERMAIN TAYLOR
KELLY PAVLIK
ANTONIO TARVER
GLEN JOHNSON
WINKY WRIGHT
FELIX TRINIDAD

Off the top of my head, there's TWELVE guys who fought in or around Calzaghe's weight between 1997 and 2006 and that are better than Lacy or Kessler IMO (except Ottke)- the NINE years that Calzaghe done NOTHING except make sub-standard WBO title defences. I absolutely fail to believe Camp Calzaghe could not have got fights with ANY of these guys if they had really really pushed the boat out to do so.

 

I have to quote this because it needs to be seen. I would add Clinton Woods to the list as well.

 

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I wouldn't to be honest mate, Calzaghe-Woods would've been a good domestic match, but IMO Calzaghe would've completely outclassed Woods- he was embarrassed by Antonio Tarver remember. Kessler beats Woods too.

 

I refuse to even read this, I saw it and was just too depressed. Only a blind psychotic Calzaghe obsessive would actually trawl through a list of TWELVE guys fighting in or around the same weights as Calzaghe in the same time period and cook up excuses why he couldn't fight them any of them. Unbelievable.

 

calzaghe SD12 hopkins.

the only one that the ref was bailing out was bernard. how many ***** moves did bernard pull in that fight exactly? rolling around on the ****ing canvas when joe calzaghe who apparently hits like a girl grazed against his trunks.

 

only an obsessive calzaghe hater would list james toney, tito trinidad and steve collins as fighters joe shyed away from.

...and bernard hopkins. LOLZ.