Sources from Golovkin's camp: "Golovkin has knee injury"

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  1. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You're not emotionally invested in Canelo? Yeah right.

    And Canelo only looks worse than the many many other drug cheats out there because he's had such favorable treatment from the governing bodies holding him to account.

    Answer me this or go on ignore - your choice of course - what is the difference between this case and Alberto Contador's other than he has a butcher in his camp and a whole heap of prior cases to look at which should of further safeguarded him from 'contaminated' meat?
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    If I was GG I’d back out.
     
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  3. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good grief you are f'n stupid and dense. The labs did their job. They aren't the entity to investigate anything, nor are they responsible for an investigation.

    They were asked if the PED results were consistent w/ tainted meat, and they were. It's up the commission to determine if an investigation is warranted.
     
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  4. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Isal is an example of how fake news get spread....
     
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  5. IsaL

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    One is a cyclist the other is a boxer, different rules, politics, history, commissions, countries, and doping agency.

    A better comparison would be Francisco Vargas and Saul Alvarez.
     
  6. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    No. Both had to follow the WADA code that is the bottom line. Both violated the anti-doping rules of the WADA code. Therefore both are PED cheats. End of story.
     
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  7. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    So in boxing you can fail a test by over 10x what a cyclist will fail a drugs test for and still be legit because of different rules, politics, history, commissions, countries, and doping agency? GTFOH.

    I've got so much respect and admiration for Mexico's boxing history and whilst I also admire your loyalty in backing your own you need to accept reality here. I mean how much more contaminated meat than Contador did he eat that week? Be serious.
     
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  8. IsaL

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    WADA sets guidelines. They don't test or enforce. VADA is the agency that analyses the results.

    According to SMRTL a WADA accredited agency, the findings were consistent with contaminated meat. What else do you want? Do you want the director of the WADA accredited lab to retract his statement and lie??

    I'm more inclined to believe an agency that is overseen by two greater agencies in WADA and VADA, than some internet troll. If we didn't have the statement from the director I would be skeptical about the meat excuse, but the lab director validated it, and VADA did not protest. My 2 cents.
     
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    That's a very underrated movie right there
     
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  10. IsaL

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    Neither you nor I are experts on this matter, so don't pretend to be. In fact, we don't even know every detail regarding this incident. We don't know when the meat was consumed, how different bodies react to it, if weight and size play a factor etc... We don't know much, what we do know is that the Lab director for SMRTL a WADA accredited Lab accountable to VADA stated that the findings were consistent with meat consumption.

    Not sure what else you want? Look, I don't care if Canelo gets fined or suspended, but according to my pole, most GGG fans, GGG included don't want the fight postponed or Alvarez suspended. So not sure WTF you GGG fans are arguing? Please explain.
     
  11. defcon2000

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    Might be Contaminated Feet
     
  12. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Who cares if the findings were consistent with contaminated meat? As a super rich athlete he could afford to eat the highest quality imported meat. If he just ate that cheap low quality contaminated Mexican meat (that no dedicated athlete should EVER eat) then he should be banned just for the stupidity alone.

    He failed TWO tests. That is the bottom line, everything else are just excuses.
     
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  13. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Firstly I'm a boxing fan. If Nelo had KO'd Golovkin I would of been surprised but I wouldn't have been disappointed. My problem here is you are trying to sweep a problem under the rug. You keep trying to make a case that he's 'clean as a whistle' when the evidence points to the contrary.

    I'm not arguing with you about whether or not he should be banned - I'm picking you up on the fact that the evidence fairly overwhelming suggests he cheated. The difference between Contador and Canelo is not 10x however you slice it. You don't need to be an expert to look at those numbers and draw a reasonable conclusion that he almost certainly ingested clen deliberately.

    What should be done is a different debate but you need to drop this whole Nelo just had a dodgy burger rhetoric. It's embarrassing.
     
  14. IsaL

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    There is a lot of anger in your post. Very hard to take posts like this serious.

    I agree, he should probably be suspended until that stuff or if there were any benefits from it are gone. But according to the Lab director it was just contaminated meat and I'm inclined to believe the Lab director from SMRTL which is accredited by WADA who is testing for VADA.

    BTW, the two tests he failed were a day or two apart. Since he has passed three tests.
     
  15. IsaL

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    He is clean. He just tested 3 more times, all came back clean. He obviously wasn't clean when he failed those two tests back to back, but the lab director explained the findings were consistent with contaminated meat. I agree, that's still Canelo's problem, but I'm not going to argue with a WADA accredited lab. If NSAC wants to ban him based on testing positive because of contaminated meat then that is their decision, but according to the Lab director there was no foul play, just carelessness and bad luck.

    I'm not an expert nor do I have every detail regarding either mans case and neither do you. All I know is that he tested positive for clenbeturol, the director of the WADA accredited lab stated it was consistent with contaminated meat. I doubt he would be willing to lose his WADA credentials and VADA as a partner.

    Tell that to the SMRTL director. I'm inclined to believe a professional who runs a WADA accredited agency over some internet troll who is clearly emotional about Canelo. What's a little embarrassing is you arguing that Canelo in fact deliberately cheated even though the director who is accountable to WADA and VADA has stated that it is consistent with consumption of tainted meat.

    Canelo has also passed his last 3 tests and had passed all his previous tests.