soviet domination of HW division continues

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  1. Lampley

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    I personally don't care where the fighters come from, as long as the division gets better both in talent and organization. It won't make a ****'s difference if everyone in the top 50 is from Russia, if there's no accepted champion.

    Wladimir had a chance to become a great HW, but it's probably getting lost now because of weak competition. Perhaps the Russians are taking over, but they aren't where they need to be yet, as their No. 1 talent continues to languish in a sea of mediocrity.

    This thread is pretty nasty, anyway.
     
  2. RealIzm

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    Come back after Chambers-Povetkin..if Povetkin wins you'll have a reason to spout ignorant nationalistic fervor until then your an idiot:good
     
  3. Sardu

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    They have great amatuer pedigree and many are great athletes to begin with. There is even a ukrainian who starts for the San Diego Chargers on the defensive line. His name is Igor Olshansky. Another lineman who is even better is from the Dominican Republic - Luis Castillo. These two both went to high school in america. As economic conditions get better and they have more options you'll also see the soviets start to drop out of boxing too. Right now they are dominating the HW division. Wlad is an awesome fighter.
     
  4. T.S.

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    [/quote]Come back after Chambers-Povetkin..if Povetkin wins you'll have a reason to spout ignorant nationalistic fervor until then your an idiot:good[/quote]

    what ignorant nationalistic fervor? I'm just stating facts I'm an American. It was OK to say the USA dominated the boxing scene for a 100 years but mention Russia and some fans pee their panties.
    I'm an idiot for pointing out facts? Naw you just in denial with inferiority complex :good
     
  5. T.S.

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    Why is this thread nasty? Is it OK to say America dominated the sport for a century would that be nasty?
    Perhaps it's your nasty prejudice coming out like a Freudian slip?
    I'm American and would love to see America back on top but please tell me who do we have?
    Eddie Chambers?
    Jameel McCline?
    George Foreman?
    Please tell me who and why is posing this question nasty? :huh
     
  6. Punisher33

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    When you say Soviets are dominating, thats not a 100% fact. Yes, all 4 champs are Soviets, but 2 years ago it was all american champs, so would it be safe to say Americans dominated the division a little over 2 years ago? To me dominace means reigning over a division for a long period of time, 2 years is hardly a long time.
     
  7. T.S.

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    It would be safe to say that America dominated for a century I'm speaking currently and if you look at all the top prospects they seem to be all Soviet too.
    I'm still waiting for someone to give me an American name that might have a chance at a Heavyweight belt?
    Tony Thompson? I wouldn't
    bet on him although I guess he's our best bet right now :huh
     
  8. DobyZhee

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    There's a former UNLV basketball player by the name of Kaspars Kambala who has recently took up boxing. He is currently being trained by Richard Steele. Now forgive me for being American, but is Latvia considered a part of the Eastern Russian Bloc cause that's where he's from?

    I hope he becomes good cause he wasn't cuttin' it as a professional basketball player in Europe.
     
  9. Punisher33

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    I will answer your question, I feel Thompson or Chambers got a shot, even Ruiz and Mccline stand a chance at getting another shot at the title in the future.

    Now answer my question, how is the Soviets dominating? Most of them have limmited skills with staying power, aside from Wlad, maybe. Liakhovich lost his title to Briggs in late 06, Peter will more and likely beat Maskaev in March. I see the so called Soviet domination more of a cycle than anything, especially since it's only been a little over 2 years since all title holders were American.
     
  10. T.S.

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    Dominating by having all four belts and all the top up and coming prospects. Imagine if say, Italy or France had all four belts I'm sure fans would say they are dominating. But when it comes to Russia it seems to scare everyone.
    Liakhovich was winning on all three scorecards when he ran out of gas and Briggs threw hail Mary pass and won congrats to Briggs. All it did was set him up as punching bag against Ibragimov. Where is Briggs now? I here he's fighting that guy named TBA :lol:
    I like Chambers skill but feel he too small to compete in HW division but I'll be cheering for him! I agree Peter should beat ancient rusty Maskaev but Peter ain't American he's Nigerian!
    Ruiz is damaged goods after Chagaev whupped his arse and do you really want to bet the house on Jameel McCline? I like McCline as a person/athlete but do you think he got what it takes?
    Right now I think Thompson's our best bet and that's weak at best IMO :good

    BTW: Nice picture of rabbit punch in your avatar :lol:
     
  11. Punisher33

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    Yeah, Peter gave Wlad one for the rode in that pic.:yep I hear what your saying, but I think way to early to say that the Soviets are dominating, 2 years is hardly a long time, anyone that watches boxing know things go in cycles, one minute your the best fighter out there, and the next minute your on the canvas being counted out. Aside from Wlad every other title holder seems very beatable, and while Peter might not be American, he sure isnt Eastern European either. I just think the whole Soviet dominance thing is a little premature, if it's still the same 3+ years from now, I might end up agreeing with you.:yep
     
  12. shawn1262231

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    Maybe but I don't see the correlation of hitting a jumpshot and having the ability to take a left hook to the jaw. Look at Derric Rossy wasn't he an All-American or All Conference Defensive End and got dominated by a much smaller and light hitting Eddie Chambers.
     
  13. Lampley

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    There's posing an honest question and there's baiting folks? You are doing the latter.

    It doesn't matter, though -- it's obvious American boxing has slipped, particularly at the heavier weights. You haven't brought any new insight to the table.
     
  14. Sardu

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    Latvia is one of the Baltic states along with Lithuania and Estonia. There is an entertaining indie movie out now called "The Singing Revolution" about the history of Estonia and their independence today. Latvians are not exactly slavic. They are probably a mix of some slavic and scandanavian blood. They have a reputation of being cool and unemotional like people from Sweden or Noway. They have a large russian speaking minority in Latvia. The Latvians are now distancing themselves from their soviet dominated past making english the second language after Latvian. Riga is the capital and Latvian girls look great.
     
  15. RealIzm

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    Thanks mate for that piece of history...and if your going to say Latvian girls are hot we all want to see pics to back it up:yep